An issue with 'Dual Survival'

Chadhahn... Cody UV treated the water in the stream because he could. Down in the gorge they had nothing to boil in and the bag was toast... so they had only the choice of stagnant water or no water.

Rick
 
They had a container though, IIRC. So I kind of wonder why they didn't at least strain it through a bandanna or something.

Cody made a good point though in one of the episodes, that if you can get rescued, most likely the effects of intestinal distress will be more likely to hit you after you get rescued.
 
They had a container, yes... the agave stalk with the bag liner.... not good enough to boil in. Straining the water through a bandana would have had little significance in reducing the chances of contamination. Might as well get the protein... lol. Cody said he swept the bugs away, anyway.
 
The health benefits of straining through a bandana would be negligible, but I think the drinkability factor would be increased (although that probably wouldn't apply if Cody used his underwear as he threatened :D).
 
Magnussen said:
They had a container, yes... the agave stalk with the bag liner.... not good enough to boil in. Straining the water through a bandana would have had little significance in reducing the chances of contamination. Might as well get the protein... lol. Cody said he swept the bugs away, anyway.
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This is a great lesson that even some simple items in a PSK could become extremely useful. A folding "Aqua Pouch" and dozen Micropur tablets are extremely compact and would make a world of difference.

Cody's skill of knapping is excellent. These shows are very reinforcing and educational. I'd much rather be watching one of these Discovery shows than Oprah:D

ROCK6
 
ROCK6 said:
This is a great lesson that even some simple items in a PSK could become extremely useful. A folding "Aqua Pouch" and dozen Micropur tablets are extremely compact and would make a world of difference.

Cody's skill of knapping is excellent. These shows are very reinforcing and educational. I'd much rather be watching one of these Discovery shows than Oprah:D

ROCK6
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Hmmm . . . though I'd love to see a show with Oprah stranded in the middle of nowhere, and having to survive. Now that would be entertaining.
 
Magnussen said:
so they had only the choice of stagnant water or no water.
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You can go for a couple of days without water, unless I was really desperate I don't think I would take the chance on stagnant water. I have drunk stream water untreated plenty of times, but NEVER stagnant water.
 
I liked the last episode quite a bit. Cody, a bit unfairly, was totally in his element. I bet if things were reversed and they were in ohio, Dave would have popped off that bowdrill like nothing. Always helps to know your trees and get a better feeling on which wood will work. I can totally sympathize on the handrill trials by Dave. That is tough stuff to do!

As for the stagnant water, lets remember this is desert and that water was puddled on rock surface. Its a far cry from swamp that would be teaming with wildlife and wildlife feces. I'm pretty sure that the environment in question is much less likely to be contaminated by fecal material than other places. Maybe I'm wrong, but that is my guess why in part Cody was pretty relaxed about it. Notice, he wasn't too keen on drinking from the permanent stream which likely sees much more wildlife visitation.

Somebody suggested at one point in an earlier thread how they wished the two of them would split up and have the show follow both of them. Well this episode demonstrated that and what a great demo it provided! Split up was my favorite, followed by Desert Breakdown.

At this point it really seems like we are just all getting nit picky on the most trivial details. Bottom line, the show contains lots of great tidbits of information. Not a substitute for a survival course, but good information mixed with good entertainment and a little reality drama thrown in. Right now, Dual Survivor solidly sits in the center of the crazy one-manship of Les Stroud where the struggle is the show against the all is calm and perfect world of Ray Mears who shows lots of great techniques but under idealic conditions. Ray never allows a mistake to be shown or his frustration to be shown - he prefers to portray himself as the can't do anything wrong hero who always gets it right the first time or uses pre-set demo models to show you how its done. Its a good show, but Ray's approach also gives the wrong impression.

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kmm said:
Cant remember which episode it was, but at one point Dave says " IM AN AMERICAN!! I EAT MEAT FROM 4-LEGGED ANIMALS!!!"

And that was directed at Codys choice of food..

I laughed :D
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maybe Cody will dead fall a rat for Dave it has four legs.

on the swamp episode Cody made it through the bog better barefoot than Dave did in rubber boots, but I like shoes

Pat
 
kgd said:
Ray never allows a mistake to be shown or his frustration to be shown - he prefers to portray himself as the can't do anything wrong hero who always gets it right the first time or uses pre-set demo models to show you how its done. Its a good show, but Ray's approach also gives the wrong impression.

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Watch Ray Mears Walkabout series. He attempts to light a fire in Australia using a hand drill. He chooses a wood that he has read about being used, but fails to produce a coal, instead ripping up his hands. He admits defeat and says it's the first time in ten years he's failed at fire by friction.
 
beef said:
Watch Ray Mears Walkabout series. He attempts to light a fire in Australia using a hand drill. He chooses a wood that he has read about being used, but fails to produce a coal, instead ripping up his hands. He admits defeat and says it's the first time in ten years he's failed at fire by friction.
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See, that just reaffirms my point! Saying he hasn't failed a fire by friction in ten years is bull$hit :D I can't even say that about not crapping my pants....
 
Has become to much controversy......the only reason that I can find is Director step to much in!

Go out in the night... its ok 50/50
Drinking bit of water filtered not boil... its ok 50/50
:confused::D
 
The one thing that always gets me, is Dave always complaining about the food Cody finds. Come on! In a real survival situation you're not going to pass up food cause you'd rather have meat.
 
Gadgetaholic said:
You can go for a couple of days without water, unless I was really desperate I don't think I would take the chance on stagnant water. I have drunk stream water untreated plenty of times, but NEVER stagnant water.
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Which is why Lundin also made it a point to give the "risk vs. reward" speech. It's a desert. Water in any form, let alone in streams, is a rarity and you take it how you can get it.
If I'm ever stuck in the dez (as Vec calls it) and low on water; come across a pool of it someplace; unable to get a fire going and don't have treatment options; you can bet I'm going to drink up. Then I'll pray like hell that: help comes before the infection does or, no infection comes; I hit it lucky; and that I get out alive.
I'm not taking a chance on that whole "you can go a couple of days" thing. You might be able to go a "couple" days without water...but it might be three or four before you get the chance to drink again.

Survival is rarely ever pretty and tests never come at a time or in a form that we'd most prefer.
 
Survival is survival, which means doing what is necessary. Being choosy is for when you're home safe.
 
Magnussen said:
They had a container, yes... the agave stalk with the bag liner.... not good enough to boil in. Straining the water through a bandana would have had little significance in reducing the chances of contamination. Might as well get the protein... lol. Cody said he swept the bugs away, anyway.
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I still would have tried to filter it through something to ghet some of the big particles out (not so much worried about the insects, as other particulate).

But I'll be honest, I would have drank the hell out of that water. Some may be able to go for two days in the desert without water, but I've personally drank almost two gallons a day when out int he desert in summer heat, (granted, i did have some electrolyte mix with me).

Being hungry doesn't bother me nearly as much as being thirsty.
 
Cpl.>>

Amen!
Hunger goes away after a little bit. You might get a somewhat sick before it does and you may end up with a headache, but even that stops. Being thirsty only gets worse and worse and worse.
If I'm not mistaken there was a circle in Dante's vision of Hell that had something to do with thirst. If not, there should have been.
 
Magnussen said:
The difference is Dave fights and Cody goes with the flow.... both are important attributes to posess.

Rick
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The TAO is strong with this one :D :thumbup: Cody's Yin to Dave's Yang.

Been reading this thread with great earnest, as well as watching episodes on the net. I think Rick's assesment seems to be the overall pulse of the viewers.
 
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