Neither can I honestly. I was taught and teach for the cultural learning aspect as well as just basic fire fundamentals. Never as my only option as a survival tool as you're right, bics are a real world solve, that's what I use. Those things survive my washing machine and dryer and still light up after. I was speaking more to the way the twos' roles are edited/portrayed on the show. Joe the hunter/acrobat, Matt the makes fire and shelter character. It just seemed funny that he had all that time with an instructor like Cody and nothing rubbed off?