The Gunnerd - I'm so glad you posted, because your post will only show what a lying, unhonorable man Andre really is. The "FACTS" that you posted are completely inaccurate and some of them are just downright lies. Before you go posting things and listing them as "FACTS", you should check your "FACTS".
Thegunnerd wrote:
Hi Guys
My Name is Aaron . I'm on EDCU, USN here and other places as Thegunnerd...
Facts :
Al paid for a standard butcher ( which has certain options )
FACT: I paid for 'A' Butcher. I detailed the options I wanted in both my Paypal payment to Andre as well followed up with a message to him via Facebook detailing the options I wanted and even posted a photo of the exact knife I wanted in my message to him. Andre replied and confirmed my order. What is considered "Standard" was never brought up anywhere in our conversation and Andre confirmed the options I requested. To say I ordered a "standard butcher" has absolutely no validity. Simply put, I ordered a knife, detailed the finishes that I wanted and Andre accepted my payment and subsequently confirmed it.
When it came time to pick those options Al wanted custom options , a two tone blade and bronze two tone handle finish both custom up charges not standard
FACT: I picked my options when I ordered and paid Andre, and he subsequently confirmed my payment and options. This is just a baseless lie. First, the whole "when it came time to pick those options" makes absolutely no sense. I knew exactly what I wanted and detailed them to Andre when I paid him. The notion of, I'll just send him full payment and then at some point later tell him what I want, makes absolutely no sense. Second, it's an obvious LIE because I NEVER asked or made any mention of wanting a bronze handle, and I invite you/Andre to post proof that I did. If I asked for a Bronze handle then how come the "upcharge" that Andre was trying to get from me was $50, and not $150, like in Tomalock's case? You/Andre should check to make sure that your LIES hold water before making them up.
Al then became indignant because he didn't understand why this was the case and assumed he was entitled to the knife he wanted regardless
FACT: I was cordial to Andre in our conversation initially about this. I asked him to review the fact that he confirmed my order after receiving my payment in our message exchange and asked if he was going to honor his committment, at which point, he stopped responding to me. After waiting a while and not getting a response, I messaged him with "ok, fuck it, refund my money if you are going to do business like a slime ball, then I don't want ANYTHING you make"
FACT: I don't go around ordering knives from makers and then try to get upgrades for free so I can NOT end up with knives that I wanted. That makes no sense.
some words were traded between him and Andre neither of which were particularly flattering and i've talked to Andre about not responding to someone who goes after you and taking the high ground and everything is cool there
FACT: Everything was cordial until Andre decided to quit responding while we were actively engaged in a Facebook message exchange after I pointed out he had confirmed my options that I ordered. It was only after he quit responding did I reply with "Fuck it, refund my money..." That got Andre's attention and when he replied, the conversation did go south. At one point, Andre commented that he was going to look me up when he visited the states. That made me laugh, I responded by saying, "anytime...you have my address." Offer is still open Andre. Come find me and see what happens. I'm your huckleberry. Say when.
Andre then refunds Al through paypal but paypal doesn't refund the paypal fees 17 dollars
FACT: Andre never refunds me. I message him several times through facebook and Instagram inquiring about my refund, with no response. With no other choice, I post to his Facebook page and it is only then, when he looks like he is cheating a customer out of his refund, does he initiate a PARTIAL refund to me. It's not Paypal that doesn't refund me the fees, it's Andre who sends me a direct payment payment of $432.50 instead of processing a REFUND of $450. Since he sent me a direct payment of $432.50, I'll let you all decide if he purposely did that to be a dick. I guess he can claim that he has no clue how Paypal works, which I don't buy, but either way, he knew he sent me less than the amount that I paid him.
Al then proceeds to put in a case for the full $450 amount not the 17 dollars
FACT: This is a complete LIE. I have the Paypal case records to show that. It specifically states that the amount owed to me in the Paypal claim was $17.85. I contact Andre telling him that he sent me less than I paid him. I tell Andre that a Paypal claim had been started for the balance of my refund. He then asked that I post to his Facebook page and announce that everything was settled and he would "Straighten out the $$". In good faith (and because I wanted the rest of my money back without having to wait on Paypal) I follow through and post to his Facebook page that everything was worked out, but Andre never follows through, and I have to wait the designated Paypal time period for non-response to a case for Paypal to ultimately refund my balance.
Paypal then refunds Al the 17 dollars and consequently another 17 dollars on the back end through a mistake , so he is now 17 dollars up
FACT: Where do you get all this crap from? Again, make sure your LIES hold water before you post it. If Andre sent me $432.85, then never responds to my claim and then Paypal refunds me the $17.85, where is the extra $17 that I'm up?
He then sent an email admitting to being mistaken about the finishes and charges that he said these things in a moment of passion.
FACT: This is the BIGGEST LIE OF THEM ALL. THIS PISSES ME OFF SO MUCH! Andre's only highground in explaining why he had ANY right NOT to refund my money on his facebook page after I posted, was that I used profanity in our message exchange. Reflecting on that (and wanting the rest of my money refunded), I sent a message to Andre saying that I was wrong using profanity regardless of whether we "saw eye to eye" on whether he should honor his committment to my order or not. I absolutely, and unequivocally NEVER "admitted" to being mistaken about anything, and I invite thegunnerd or Andre to prove that. Incidentally, if Andre wasn't trying to hide anything, why did he delete the Facebook thread that had the exchange of the posting about my refund? The exchange was cordial, no profanity was in it and nothing was said anywhere in it that was derogatory or of a personal attack in nature.
Thegunnerd - Check your "FACTS" and the obvious inconsistencies in the LIES before you go posting them. It only serves to hurt your credibility. You are in bed with Andre, so you admittedly have something to gain by spreading his lies. I have nothing to gain. It is a complete waste of my time to spend all this energy to post stuff like this, so ask yourself, why would I even bother wasting my time detailing all of this stuff if it weren't true? What do I possibly have to gain from it? I have everything to back up everything that I have detailed and it is 100% FACT. If I'm lying, prove it.
