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I remember when they lifted Becker's design. Now the Protech Magic?

Any other designs that Boker has been accused of copying?
 
Does Boker make Cobratech knives?

I was looking at this one, but I didn't consider it because of the Cobratech name.
 
Is Cobratec related to Boker? That's news to me. I thought ProTech was Boker's US-based partner (ProTech makes Boker's Burnley Kwaiken Auto).
Cobratec also makes a bunch of OTFs that look very similar to various Microtech models, including an "OTF Money Clip" that looks suspiciously like the Exocet.
This model has disappeared from their website and Grindworx lists it as "discontinued," so I wonder if Mike Allen and/or ProTech told them to cease and desist.
 
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OrangeBlueOrangeBlue said:
Is Cobratec related to Boker? That's news to me. I thought ProTech was Boker's US-based partner (ProTech makes Boker's Burnley Kwaiken Auto).
Cobratec also makes a bunch of OTFs that look very similar to various Microtech models, including an "OTF Money Clip" that looks suspiciously like the Exocet.
This model has disappeared from their website and Grindworx lists it as "discontinued," so I wonder if Mike Allen and/or ProTech told them to cease and desist.
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I called Protech on Monday to let them know. Hoping that they did get it pulled. Its a pretty direct copy.
 
JPD1998 said:
Does Boker make Cobratech knives?

I was looking at this one, but I didn't consider it because of the Cobratech name.
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The thing that got me was the video description being a Boker. Then I went to the .de boker website, and they have a ton of cobratec listed, I'm wondering also how they are related now.
 
Yo Mama said:

I remember when they lifted Becker's design. Now the Protech Magic?

Any other designs that Boker has been accused of copying?
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Nice to know that Boker and Cobratec are now or close to being frowned upon by all the knife snobs. I really hope you and some of the others realize that not many people can afford to spend the kind of money you guys do on knives. Anybody who knows anything about knives knows that Protech is so far above and beyond anything that Boker and Cobratec has made or will ever make.

The main point I'm trying to make is that I honestly don't feel like this knife is hurting Protech. I think some of these cheap knives just make people want the superior product in the end. I never thought I'd end up spending $300 on a knife when I started out with a Ganzo but I did.
 
Wow; that is a very close copy.

The only difference that I noticed was a slight difference in handle shape.

The influence is clear though.
 
Detroit1980 said:
The main point I'm trying to make is that I honestly don't feel like this knife is hurting Protech. I think some of these cheap knives just make people want the superior product in the end. I never thought I'd end up spending $300 on a knife when I started out with a Ganzo but I did.
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What you feel and what the reality of the situation actually is are two completely separate things, Sal Glesser, for example, has stated how much cheap copies of Spydercos have hurt his business and that's one of the biggest companies out there. It's a problem for everybody, and one that knife enthusiasts should not tolerate or support.
 
Detroit1980 said:
Nice to know that Boker and Cobratec are now or close to being frowned upon by all the knife snobs. I really hope you and some of the others realize that not many people can afford to spend the kind of money you guys do on knives. Anybody who knows anything about knives knows that Protech is so far above and beyond anything that Boker and Cobratec has made or will ever make.

The main point I'm trying to make is that I honestly don't feel like this knife is hurting Protech. I think some of these cheap knives just make people want the superior product in the end. I never thought I'd end up spending $300 on a knife when I started out with a Ganzo but I did.
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Wow.

The kind of money "us guys" can afford to spend on knives? Same "us guys" and "knife snobs" who regularly recommend Mora, Opinel, Ontario, etc.?

Cheap copies do not "make people want the superior product". This is just plain.... stupid. Sorry, I can't call it anything more politically correct.

There are numerous threads about counterfeits, intellectual property theft, clones, ripoffs etc. etc. etc. PLEASE READ SOME OF THEM.
 
KingMC said:
What you feel and what the reality of the situation actually is are two completely separate things, Sal Glesser, for example, has stated how much cheap copies of Spydercos have hurt his business and that's one of the biggest companies out there. It's a problem for everybody, and one that knife enthusiasts should not tolerate or support.
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Hey, don't let pesky facts get in the way of a good old internet "Us versus Them" persecution thing. ;)

On point, knives influencing the designs of others is cool; directly ripping them off is bad.
Also on point, there are plenty of good original designs at every price point. There is no need to support rip-off artists due to cash flow. There are even titanium frame-locks with original designs for under $100...imagine that! Seen some at close to $50 or $60.

Prior to the internet age you could easily end up buying a clone at the store without knowing any better, and that was understandable.
Now, the information is so easy to find...but so are the deals. :)
 
Velitrius said:
Wow.

The kind of money "us guys" can afford to spend on knives? Same "us guys" and "knife snobs" who regularly recommend Mora, Opinel, Ontario, etc.?

Cheap copies do not "make people want the superior product". This is just plain.... stupid. Sorry, I can't call it anything more politically correct.

There are numerous threads about counterfeits, intellectual property theft, clones, ripoffs etc. etc. etc. PLEASE READ SOME OF THEM.
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Well maybe you should just boycott Blade HQ because they own Grindworx and are selling this alleged counterfeit.

Also, you're failing to realize that I don't even think this particular knife is a clone. There are clear differences and the materials are inferior to the Protech.
 
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Ok, I have some problems with what you're saying... First off
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Also, you're failing to realize that I don't even think this particular knife is a clone. There are clear differences and the materials are inferior to the Protech.
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Wouldn't inferior materials be key to the definition of a clone or homage knife? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Detroit1980 said:
The main point I'm trying to make is that I honestly don't feel like this knife is hurting Protech. I think some of these cheap knives just make people want the superior product in the end. I never thought I'd end up spending $300 on a knife when I started out with a Ganzo but I did.
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There's a gigantic flaw in this argument. You're applying a financial limit to a morality issue. If a cloner copies a $300 knife and sells it for $40, that's ok with you? What about counterfeit RATs selling for $15 when the real thing costs $30. Does that become a problem now?

The cost of the item has nothing to do with the propriety of the practice. This is a right or wrong issue and you can't apply situational ethics to it.

It's not your place to determine the damage done to Protech. Those manufacturers who've chosen to discuss the economic impact of clones have indicated significant financial loss.
 
Hackenslash said:
Ok, I have some problems with what you're saying... First off
Wouldn't inferior materials be key to the definition of a clone or homage knife? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


There's a gigantic flaw in this argument. You're applying a financial limit to a morality issue. If a cloner copies a $300 knife and sells it for $40, that's ok with you? What about counterfeit RATs selling for $15 when the real thing costs $30. Does that become a problem now?

The cost of the item has nothing to do with the propriety of the practice. This is a right or wrong issue and you can't apply situational ethics to it.

It's not your place to determine the damage done to Protech. Those manufacturers who've chosen to discuss the economic impact of clones have indicated significant financial loss.
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Well you're not going to stop them and accusing everybody of copying and cloning is a waste of time. Notice nobody cares that companies are copying the axis lock now because the patent is up and that's all OK now. Does Protech have a patent on the hidden bolster mechanism? If not Cobratec is basically doing the same thing that multiple knife companies are doing with Benchmade.

I just get annoyed seeing the hypocrisy in some of these posts. I bet everyone of you are still going to continue buying from Blade HQ when they knowingly support some of these "knockoff" knives on Grindworx.
 
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Detroit1980 said:
Well you're not going to stop them and accusing everybody of copying and cloning is a waste of time. Notice nobody cares that companies are copying the axis lock now because the patent is up and that's all OK now. Does Protech have a patent on the hidden bolster mechanism? If not Cobratec is basically doing the same thing that multiple knife companies are doing with Benchmade.
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It's OK now because the patent is up. Hogue, Millit and others who are making their axis-type locks are fully within their rights. We have a problem with the scumbag cloners who made copies of the Axis while it was patent protected. That's how patent law works.

The logic you're using in these arguments seems highly illogical.
 
Just because you can’t afford something doesn’t make IP theft acceptable.

At a certain point you have to realize that certain things are expensive for a reason, the entire knife market doesn’t have to cater to your budget.

I’m not going to go out and buy a bunch of fake designer clothes just because I can’t afford the real ones. That’s trashy.
 
Hackenslash said:
It's OK now because the patent is up. Hogue, Millit and others who are making their axis-type locks are fully within their rights. We have a problem with the scumbag cloners who made copies of the Axis while it was patent protected. That's how patent law works.

The logic you're using in these arguments seems highly illogical.
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You're just a hypocrite.
 
To think that your knife knowledge is so great that you can boycott Boker is kind of out of this world.

Boker has forgotten more about knives than any here will ever know.

Your showing that your head is so far up your bung hole that you have lost touch with reality.
 
Gravy said:
Just because you can’t afford something doesn’t make IP theft acceptable.

At a certain point you have to realize that certain things are expensive for a reason, the entire knife market doesn’t have to cater to your budget.

I’m not going to go out and buy a bunch of fake designer clothes just because I can’t afford the real ones. That’s trashy.
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The main point I've been trying to make with some of these guys is that they are just hypocrites when it comes down to it. They wanna make themselves feel like they're part of an elite club when in reality they are just addicted to knives. They still end up supporting things they're against even if it's indirectly but they don't care because they're controlled by their addiction.
 
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