Another copy from Boker?

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Detroit1980 said:
The main point I've been trying to make with some of these guys is that they are just hypocrites when it comes down to it. They wanna make themselves feel like they're part of an elite club when in reality they are just addicted to knives. They still end up supporting things they're against even if it's indirectly but they don't care because they're controlled by their addiction.
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Seems to me that you're largely just jealous of folks that can afford nicer knives than you and are lashing out.
 
Detroit1980 said:
Well the guy who created this post is directly supporting it. He's against Grindworx selling this but buys plenty from Blade HQ. Some of you guys are pathetic.
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Hahaha, so you know where I buy my knives from now? Face it, you showed you're still fine with stealing, doesn't matter how you want to justify it. Thought you already went through this before, maybe another few times will help.

BTW, call me a snob all you want, I save up and go without other things to support good companies and get the nicer things in life. Buy once cry once, or keep crying that everyone on a knife forum are all just meanies.
 
danbot said:
And it annoys me to see the same people defending Ganzo and clones in general over and over again, knowing that those brands are detested by much of the membership here.
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Why can't you just ignore the people then? You don't have to post in every thread. I would have normally just ignored this thread but you guys always get in my business so I felt the need to call the original poster out on it. I feel like a few of you guys get together and try to "bully" some of the new guys and act like you're just trying to educate but some people don't want to get into all that. They just want to try and enjoy what they're fortunate enough to have and share it with others.

Also you act like I support Ganzo but I had 1 which I ended up selling awhile ago. It was basically just a gateway knife to me. I have no interest in buying any of the Ganzos available now but I'm still going to be on the lookout. I just like knives in general. I don't care who makes them or where they come from.
 
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CobraTec's website states:
Built to order in Waxahachie, Texas

Their physical address is listed as:
507 N. Hwy 77 #404,
Waxahachie, TX 75165


From what I can tell on Google, this is where that address is:
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It's a strip mall. That business appears to have closed and I did see blip that at one time they had an archery range so I'd guess there is footprint for manufacturing in there but not sure about zoning. Reckon it's possible...
 
Yo Mama said:
Hahaha, so you know where I buy my knives from now? Face it, you showed you're still fine with stealing, doesn't matter how you want to justify it. Thought you already went through this before, maybe another few times will help.

BTW, call me a snob all you want, I save up and go without other things to support good companies and get the nicer things in life. Buy once cry once, or keep crying that everyone on a knife forum are all just meanies.
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I saw you with that BHQ exclusive Elementum lol. There you go making another assumption that I'm OK with stealing and that's not true at all. I just don't believe in bashing somebody because of what they choose to buy and then supporting a company that is known to sell knives that you're so against.
 
Detroit1980 said:
The reason I brought up the Axis lock patent issue was because I don't believe that Protech has a patent on the hidden bolster lock which would make it fair game for Cobratec or Boker to use the mechanism and from what you say about that Ganzo in the picture I don't even know why we're arguing.

I have been arguing with the same few guys on multiple threads ever since I created my account. I even tried apologizing because I really wanted to agree to disagree but they assumed I just agreed that I was wrong and that they were right and it wasn't the case. My views will always be the same and nobody should be treated like garbage because they choose to buy a knife that they don't approve of.

Last time I was scrolling through the general knife discussion there was a new guy talking about a Ganzo that they immediately attacked and flamed and even accused him of being a troll possibly. I just think it's ridiculous and I don't know why the moderators allow their behavior to go on. Instead they look at me like I'm always the bad guy. I've been called names and have had offensive stuff said to me but I've never seen anything said to them.
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Perspective is an interesting thing.

The way I see it, people post about Ganzo and others, and the majority of the membership tries to educate the poster on them being bad companies. They try to help steer them to other budget-friendly knives that are not deceitful. I've even seen occasions when members offered to help with shipping and such.

Now, when folks insist on defending such companies and/or lash out at those of us with strong feelings of opposition to them, then things get direct rather quickly.
 
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Detroit1980 said:
I saw you with that BHQ exclusive Elementum lol. There you go making another assumption that I'm OK with stealing and that's not true at all. I just don't believe in bashing somebody because of what they choose to buy and then supporting a company that is known to sell knives that you're so against.
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I buy from lots of places, bladehq has always been good. Shame on me for buying an original (not ripped off) design. Maybe one day you will to!

Regardless, Boker has again copied a design, they did it before, time to let the adults talk now.

The Protech Magic is a great blade. Hope they can keep the pressure on Boker to get rid of this one quickly.
 
Detroit1980 said:
The main point I've been trying to make with some of these guys is that they are just hypocrites when it comes down to it. They wanna make themselves feel like they're part of an elite club when in reality they are just addicted to knives. They still end up supporting things they're against even if it's indirectly but they don't care because they're controlled by their addiction.
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Hi. Welcome to Blade Forums. I'm sorry if I've contributed in any way to you feeling attacked for your opinions. I believe anyone can have any opinion that they want, but they're also responsible for the fallout of their opinions. There is a very vocal group here at BF that protest clones, copies, homages and stolen intellectual property. We're vocal because we love the knife hobby and genuinely believe that clone knives are a real threat to the health of the industry. When we perceive a new member supporting clone knives we try to "educate", vigorously if necessary. You'e obviously free to buy any knife you want, but we'll push back if you try to promote clones on BF.

I understand the point you're trying to make concerning hypocrisy, but it really isn't a point. Just because EVERY wrongdoer isn't called out, it doesn't make it acceptable to call NONE of them out. As to your point about BladeHQ/Grindworx; I'll have to investigate. I've done business with BladeHQ in the past and will have to get more information regarding your claim.

By the way, that bold statement you made above is IMO the most accurate post you've made to date. Yes, we are proud addicts here. Guilty as charged.

Eli Chaps said:
CobraTec's website states:
Built to order in Waxahachie, Texas

Their physical address is listed as:
507 N. Hwy 77 #404,
Waxahachie, TX 75165


From what I can tell on Google, this is where that address is:
Jsnb5ws.png


XaVlAQa.png



3FULlNz.png


It's a strip mall. That business appears to have closed and I did see blip that at one time they had an archery range so I'd guess there is footprint for manufacturing in there but not sure about zoning. Reckon it's possible...
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I know right where this is and get into Waxy every week or so. I'll investigate and report back.

My personal experience with Cobratec is that they're a gun show brand that makes Microtech homages at lesser quality.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Seems to me that you're largely just jealous of folks that can afford nicer knives than you and are lashing out.
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LOL to be honest it seems that most of my knife purchases are impulse buys and I'm seriously thinking I have a problem. I don't think some of us will ever be completely satisfied with what we have. You can try and tell yourself your good until next week when you see that new knife that will surely complete your collection until the next time lol.

This is the main reason why I think people put way too much thought into the effects cloning has on the market because there's plenty of people like us that aren't going to be satisfied with a Ganzo or other "cheap" knives. To be honest Civivi is the lowest I'll go and there's been times where I'd like to try and go all American made but the value that Civivi and Kizer put out is hard to beat.
 
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I appreciate the amount of investigation done by the internet sleuths and the weekly dose of "copying is wrong" (although this isn't a very spirited version of that) and the panic the word Ganzo creates.

But on topic does anyone here have proof not just Google based speculation that Boker has no agreement, contract, quid pro quo understanding or licensing agreement in place that allows them to sell these knives on a global market? Maybe even just a gentleman's agreement between a couple of men?

I know these threads of chest pounding and righteous indignation are a lot of fun, but can anyone prove that Boker has no agreement of any sort to make these knives?

Boker is a huge, international, multifaceted manufacturing group. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if they had some kind agreement somewhere to make any knife they didn't design in house. For a several hundred million dollar conglomerate doubtful (but possible) they would copy without permission the design of one single model of knife. How much could that contribute to their global bottom line?

Robert
 
danbot said:
I don't just ignore those people because cloning hurts this hobby and the companies that I value.
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I think some of us hurt ourselves with this hobby lol. I've spent way more than I planned on spending lately and l accidentally cut myself pretty bad recently.
 
midnight flyer said:
I appreciate the amount of investigation done by the internet sleuths and the weekly dose of "copying is wrong" (although this isn't a very spirited version of that) and the panic the word Ganzo creates.

But on topic does anyone here have proof not just Google based speculation that Boker has no agreement, contract, quid pro quo understanding or licensing agreement in place that allows them to sell these knives on a global market? Maybe even just a gentleman's agreement between a couple of men?

I know these threads of chest pounding and righteous indignation are a lot of fun, but can anyone prove that Boker has no agreement of any sort to make these knives?

Boker is a huge, international, multifaceted manufacturing group. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if they had some kind agreement somewhere to make any knife they didn't design in house. For a several hundred million dollar conglomerate doubtful (but possible) they would copy without permission the design of one single model of knife. How much could that contribute to their global bottom line?

Robert
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MUCH more importantly, do you have proof they DO have some sort of agreement? Because that's actually the standard of proof, you know, rather than expecting others to prove a negative it's on you to show evidence of the positive.

And given that mentioning and crediting your collaborators in ad copy is very much an industry standard in the knife world and that Boker has absolutely produced clones in their Magnum lineup before your implication that there's some agreement seems like an utterly ludicrous initial position to take upon seeing this.
 
Eversion said:
The word "Ganzo" should be replaced with "the brand which shall not be named", because every time the word is uttered, the thread shortly after goes off the rails lol. It's like Voldemort.
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This may seem like a joke to you but have you ever said "Ganzo" three times while looking into a mirror in a dark room on the third floor of a NE facing building during a full moon? ;)
 
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