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Antique New York Knife Company Knives and Company History

Discussion in 'Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades' started by Primble, Jan 12, 2015.

  1. veitsi_poika

    veitsi_poika Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Nov 25, 2016
    2-3/4" Psychedelic Cell Jack Knife...

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    - V_P
     
  2. Duckdog

    Duckdog Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 26, 2012
    NYKC (Walden) circa 1890-1932 (that's when the fertilizer company closed).

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    - Stuart
     
  3. veitsi_poika

    veitsi_poika Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Nov 25, 2016
    Hey since you fired this thread up Stuart, I might as well throw on the mystery knife... sounds like it is likely the working end of an interchangeable knife kit; I think now I will be searching for some implements :D

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  4. veitsi_poika

    veitsi_poika Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Nov 25, 2016
    And the "Army Knife" that someone decided to grind away "New York Knife Co" and the "Hammer Brand" lettering...

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  5. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
    New York Knife Company per N.Y. State Museum:

    The factory during the period from 1905 to 1913 did not expand. However, several new technologies were adopted (Figure 8). The first was the storehouse on the west side of Orchard Street. This was converted into a celluloid works and bone shop to produce bone and plastic handles. The second was that the factory was electrified (Sanborn Insurance Map 1913). The installation of electricity for lights and machinery throughout the plant was a major investment. This investment made the factory more competitive by making the production line faster, more efficient, and lowering the number of workers needed to produce the knives. By 1913, the number of people employed by the company dropped to 327 individuals, ' ..... ·, ' ..... which is a decrease of 63 people from 1905. The workforce was composed of 275 adult males, 41 adult females, 8 children between the ages of 14 and 16, and 3 office employees. The adult males in 1912 worked on the average a 63 hour week, the adult females between 58 and 63 hours a week, and the children, 51 hours or less a week (New York State Department of Labor 1915). By 1913, the Walden Knife Company with 340 employees surpassed the number of workers employed at the New York Knife Company, which had 327 employees. The smallest knife manufacturer in Walden at this time was the Schrade Knife Company with, 13 7 employees. In 1913, 804 people, or 19 percent of the population, of the village of Walden were employed at the three knife factories (New York State Department of Labor 1915). The knife industry, with the employment of such a large percentage of the village population, had a tremendous influence on the local economy.
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    The outbreak of World War I increased the demand for knives and allowed the New York Knife Company to remain in full production. After the war, ended two gunmanufacturing firms, Remington and Winchester, entered the knife manufacturing business. They used the latest technologies and machinery and had tremendous advertising and promotion campaigns to promote their products. The post-war catalogs that had once only shown the full line of New York Knife Company knives now was split between Remington and the New York Knife Company. Remington's market share continued to increase, as the New York Knife Company's market share decreased after World War I. In 1922 the New York Knife Company suffered a further setback when Remington and the Ulster or Schrade Knife Companies gained the right to manufacture Boy Scout knives, thus ending the New York Knife Company's monopoly. On the 1924 Sanborn Insurance Map there is a notation that WIILI.KII.J. Rt�£R WORKS ....... ® '- ..... ....... ..... � t the factory was not in operation (Figure 9). It is possible that the factory shut down for a short period of time, possibly to retool or that the owners were having problems due to the increased competition with Remington, the Ulster Knife Company, and Winchester. The final blow for many of the American knife companies was the 1929 stock market crash, which brought about the Great Depression. In 193 1 the New York Knife Company was forced to shut down and stop its operation after being in business for 79 years. The only knife company that is still producing knives today is the Schrade Knife Company, which moved from the village of Walden to Ellenville, Ulster County, in 1958. The knife industry in the village of Walden is only represented by the ruins of the New York Knife Company and the two other factories along the Wallkill River and the statue of William McKinley in the village square.
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    A notation on the 1924 Sanborn Insurance Map states the factory was not in operation, and the only employees were two night watchmen, indicating the factory may have had to shut down for short periods of time and had to temporarily lay off its workers.


    The condition of the company continued to worsen, especially after the 1929 stock market crash. The New York Knife Company factory continued to operate for parts of two more years before it was finally forced to shut down its operation for good in 1931.


    http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/common/nysm/files/crsp-vol1_0.pdf
     
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  6. Duckdog

    Duckdog Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 26, 2012
    Kevin, that someone was the G. F. Creutzberg Company (Philadelphia, PA 1875-1943). Their EAGLE PHILA trademark is stamped over the crudely erased Hammer brand on your knife. According to Goins, they made their knives "by using parts left over from other contract knives." Their trademark "has been stamped over John Primble India Steel Works, OVB Hibbard Spencer Bartlett & Co, Marshall Wells Hdw., and one knife has been seen with the small blades marked 'Walden, N.Y.'". Check the tang of your cap lifter/flathead driver blade. After 1943, they dealt in farm supplies.
    - Stuart
     
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  7. veitsi_poika

    veitsi_poika Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Nov 25, 2016
    LoL, my knife is stamped Walden, NY ;) That's really interesting, if NYK closed in 1931, Cruetzberg may have just got ahold of their remaining supply of scout knives since everything about this knife is NYK; fit/feel and even the patent number on the punch. Maybe they added the "Army Knife" shield to make it their own LoL. Good catch on that in Goins! I never would've spotted that blurb :thumbsup: I think they just grinded off the NYKC on the cap lifter and left the Walden, NY. Thanks for the info Stuart, very cool :D
     
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  8. ea42

    ea42 KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jan 1, 2006
    Thought I'd resurrect this fine old thread with a couple of stag examples:

    First up is a horseman. I usually shy away from knives with so much blade loss but this one is a rare treasure that I didn't think twice about:

    New York Knife Co Horseman 2.jpg

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    Next up is a stag jack. You rarely see stag handled knives from NYK:

    New York Knife Co stag jack.jpg

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    Eric
     
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  9. Mike Robuck

    Mike Robuck Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 11, 2001
    Great knives! Thanks for posting them.
     
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  10. ea42

    ea42 KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jan 1, 2006
    My pleasure Mike, glad I can contribute!!

    Eric
     
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  11. Tomycod

    Tomycod Gold Member Gold Member

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    May 22, 2010
    I just now finished going through this "fine old thread" hoping to see some NYK’s in stag and feel very lucky to have picked today as your new addition’s fit the bill exactly, especially on the rare horseman’s pattern!
    Cheers!
     
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  12. Duckdog

    Duckdog Gold Member Gold Member

    Jul 26, 2012
    Those are some truly handsome old fellows. Thank you for sharing them. They need to be seen. - Stuart
     
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  13. Fodderwing

    Fodderwing Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 31, 2017
    Wonderful additions to this thread. I especially love the horseman's example. Thank you.
     
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  14. ea42

    ea42 KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jan 1, 2006
    Thanks folks! :) I've shown this one in the harness jack thread but it definitely fits right in here too. This one has what appears to be Robeson punch:



    New York Knife Co Harness Jack 2.jpg

    New York Knife Co Harness Jack 3.jpg

    Eric
     
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  15. Gevonovich

    Gevonovich Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 17, 2011
    Two great old specimens, Eric !!! What a treat and Thank You !
     
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  16. Primble

    Primble

    Mar 31, 2014
    Nice to see the thread again. Lloyds been busy !!
     
  17. Will Power

    Will Power Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 18, 2007
    @Primble And good to see you, a fine gent with a fine collection posting again :cool:

    Regards, Will
     
  18. Primble

    Primble

    Mar 31, 2014
    Thank you Will ! A fine gent yourself and hope you are well ! :)
     
  19. Old Engineer

    Old Engineer Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 30, 2014
    It is great to see you around again Mr. @Primble !!!!:):):) Hope you are well and become a regular again .

    Harry
     
  20. Peregrin

    Peregrin Traditional Forum Moderator Moderator Gold Member

    Sep 2, 2004
    Good to see you posting! Hope all is well!
     

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