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Are you regulated to any velocity or power level? I have some air rifles that rival low end 22's. Then you also have the non-standard 9mm air rifles
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pilgrimuk, is that regulation just in your area (where are you located?) or in general?? I don't think I have any air gun regulations around me (southeast UA). I can even get away with silencers attached to my air guns ( as long as they care permanently attached). I've never heard of the 12 and 6 ft lb law before, interesting....
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I think that if its gonna be regulated that limiting the fpE makes the most sense. I *believe* it is the entire country, but I don't know about Ireland, so it could be the entire island.
I've been practicing my 10m pistol form with th 1322 with mixed results. The gun needs some more work, but it deffinitely shows potential for some 400+ scores or possibly 230 of 250 for fun matches.
Next paycheck I will get my MK I all fixed up and shootin again. It'll be interesting to compare it against the 1322!
-Xander
I've been practicing my 10m pistol form with th 1322 with mixed results. The gun needs some more work, but it deffinitely shows potential for some 400+ scores or possibly 230 of 250 for fun matches.
Next paycheck I will get my MK I all fixed up and shootin again. It'll be interesting to compare it against the 1322!
-Xander
Hi,
The power regulation is for the whole of the UK, not just my area. However, there is an ongoing debate in Scotland to make all airguns licenced. I don't know about Ireland. Unlike the States, there are no restrictions to having silencers/moderators on our airguns; they can be swapped around and are usually removable, all mine can be removed.
The laws in the UK are pretty bizarre, for example; you cannot buy a new airgun (or silencer) and have it posted through normal channels like the Post Office, however you can buy second hand airguns privately through the post. The powers that be think this is supposed to allow more control of who buys
! What dealers have needed to do to overcome this situation is to deliver the airguns directly to your door through their own vans.Let me know if you want any more info on UK airgunning and I'll do my best, if there's a delay, it could be the time difference.
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Thanks for clearing that up, I was worried that I overlooked an airgun law somewhere. And the silencer law you mentioned about being able to be removable, that has been changed (not recently but recently known to me). Yes the federal law states that you are required to have a license if oyu are to own a silenced firearm. But the law also states that any object that is used to dampen or alter(/reduce) the sound of a firearm (not including a firearm silencer), you are required to have a license to own such a device. Basically that covers ANY and ALL objects that you put on your firearm barrel.( pellet gun suppressors, paintball suppressors...soda bottles...) I know this because a fellow paintballer got burned pretty bad because he had a "silencer" on his marker and he got "caught" with it ( he was discussing plans to make one on a forum). He came out of the whole ordeal just fine but it opened the eyes of a lot of people. If it is even remotely resembles a silencer/suppressor and is associated with a "gun" of any sort and is able to be attached and detached, it falls under those federal guidelines as a "potential" firearm silencer.
I know a lot of guys who make suppressors for air guns and what they do is call then 'air strippers' (they strip the air away from the pellet as it exits the barrel) and they permanently attach them to their rifles. (us paintballers call them "rain shields"...they prevent rain form coming in contact with the paintball as it exits the barrel) This is perfectly legal in every way (USA laws that is).
I know a lot of guys who make suppressors for air guns and what they do is call then 'air strippers' (they strip the air away from the pellet as it exits the barrel) and they permanently attach them to their rifles. (us paintballers call them "rain shields"...they prevent rain form coming in contact with the paintball as it exits the barrel) This is perfectly legal in every way (USA laws that is).
You are poorly informed. First there is no "license". Second, there is nothing special about the firearm because it 'could' be used with a silencer. Some local jurisdictions do regulate threaded barrels but, that really isn't about the sound suppressor and is more about those evil flash hiders.
Firearms suppressors can be purchased by basically anyone that can purchase a handgun (barring a few local jurisdictions) if they are willing to pay to the one time transfer tax of $200 on a Form 4. Dealers with a S.O.T. follow different tax free transfer rules.
With air rifles and air pistols, sound suppressors must be permanently attached or, they become untaxed contraband because they 'could' be screwed onto a firearm as defined by the ATF and federal regulations. This rule falls under the "constructive intent" interpretation of the law, avoiding paying the $200 transfer (or manufacture) tax. Either pay the tax and get the tax stamp or, mount it permanently to the air rifle.
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Yep, your right. I'm not saying that its impossible to buy a silencer/suppressor, its just highly regulated (dont remember where I read that it had to be a license, I'm looking into it).
This is what irritates the hell out of me. I wont go into it in this thread, but that irritates the living hell out of me.
I know a lot of guys who are more into firearm and airgun laws than I am and they get away with detachable barrel attachments by calling them fake suppressors/silencers. (they just dont call them fake, they are completely hollow inside) Heck, Walmart sells airsoft guns with threaded barrels that come fake suppressors.
This is what irritates the hell out of me. I wont go into it in this thread, but that irritates the living hell out of me.
I know a lot of guys who are more into firearm and airgun laws than I am and they get away with detachable barrel attachments by calling them fake suppressors/silencers. (they just dont call them fake, they are completely hollow inside) Heck, Walmart sells airsoft guns with threaded barrels that come fake suppressors.
Yep, those pesky local jurisdiction laws. There is hope though ..... State laws are changing to remove suppressor restrictions.
The state level laws are changing. Kansas for example recently changed their state law to allow residents to purchase them (previously even law enforcement could not own them). Hunting regulations in several states have been changed to allow suppressors on legal hunts as well. Federal law which controls interstate commerce is pretty clear. What local jurisdictions do to magazine capacities, flash hiders, bayonet lugs, etc. is up to them. I have lived in 4 different states and really never had a problem with NFA law. Even Alabama changed their state law against Short Barrel Rifles and Shotguns right before I moved there. I always found that one odd because I could take my M-16 with a 10.5" barrel to Alabama but, not my semi-automatic AR-15 with the same upper.
Regarding state laws and local municipal laws, the major NFA dealers and manufacturers make it pretty easy to see where the local laws allow NFA ownership. In my case, I just won't move or get a job in those areas. In fact I have turned down relatively high paying jobs in those areas for quality of life issues - part of which was my ability to retain ownership of my firearms, high capacity magazines and all.
You might be interested in the device I built:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24505181@N03/5616753164/in/photostream
This is my version of a "ball valve" airgun. There are lots of these on YouTube. I think my design is better than most....
A lot of the guys put the valve on the left side of the weapon, and construct a complicated and clunky trigger mechanism.
I thought it would be a lot simpler to just reverse everything and have the trigger act directly on the valve's control arm.
These are pretty simple... The air container can be almost anything, including 2-liter soda bottles. The barrel can be nearly any sort of tubing; I used standard 1/2" copper. PVC is very popular; you can make the entire weapon from PVC.
Although mine is very crude, it has very impressive performance. Using a lead fishing sinker for a projectile, I was able to put one through a very hefty 3/4" piece of particle board.... Shooting off a bench with very crude sights, I put 5 marbles into a 2" group at about 50 feet.
It would be easy to mount an air-gun optical sight of some sort on this.
Using more advanced valves, such as "QEV" equipment and higher-quality air chambers, guys have operated these things at pressures up to 3000 psi, which is pretty scary.
I shoot mine at 125.....Using a bicycle pump.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24505181@N03/5616753164/in/photostream
This is my version of a "ball valve" airgun. There are lots of these on YouTube. I think my design is better than most....
A lot of the guys put the valve on the left side of the weapon, and construct a complicated and clunky trigger mechanism.
I thought it would be a lot simpler to just reverse everything and have the trigger act directly on the valve's control arm.
These are pretty simple... The air container can be almost anything, including 2-liter soda bottles. The barrel can be nearly any sort of tubing; I used standard 1/2" copper. PVC is very popular; you can make the entire weapon from PVC.
Although mine is very crude, it has very impressive performance. Using a lead fishing sinker for a projectile, I was able to put one through a very hefty 3/4" piece of particle board.... Shooting off a bench with very crude sights, I put 5 marbles into a 2" group at about 50 feet.
It would be easy to mount an air-gun optical sight of some sort on this.
Using more advanced valves, such as "QEV" equipment and higher-quality air chambers, guys have operated these things at pressures up to 3000 psi, which is pretty scary.
I shoot mine at 125.....Using a bicycle pump.
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Impressive mwerner. I have a QEV and a .17 cal. smooth bore barrel sitting around to be put together. All I need is time.
I have watched what some of these guys do with homemade PCP rifles and they are quite impressive. A bit scary yes but they deserve respect.
I have watched what some of these guys do with homemade PCP rifles and they are quite impressive. A bit scary yes but they deserve respect.
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Home built air cannons and the like are fun!
If you want to have real fun with a ball valve gun, build it based on a 2" PVC barrel and buy the 2" superballs! Find an abandonded ware house or factory (lots of them here now) and have fun!
Back to the topic, anybody here ever participate in "postal matches?" Where shooters post scores on the internet during a specified time frame, usually one month, and it is based on the honor system. Self scored, shot at your local range or back yard, turn in as many scores as you want but your highest score in the time frame is the only one that counts. Targets are usually created in .pdf format and downloaded, or standard NRA/ISSF targets are used. Competition format can be almost anything the creator can come up with!
-Xander
If you want to have real fun with a ball valve gun, build it based on a 2" PVC barrel and buy the 2" superballs! Find an abandonded ware house or factory (lots of them here now) and have fun!
Back to the topic, anybody here ever participate in "postal matches?" Where shooters post scores on the internet during a specified time frame, usually one month, and it is based on the honor system. Self scored, shot at your local range or back yard, turn in as many scores as you want but your highest score in the time frame is the only one that counts. Targets are usually created in .pdf format and downloaded, or standard NRA/ISSF targets are used. Competition format can be almost anything the creator can come up with!
-Xander
I've got a 2250 that I modded. All the internals were reworked, steel breach, trigger job, etc. It EATS through C02 cartridges
Five shot group at 10M (seated)...
I've used mine for small game. Here's a link to a pic (since there's a dead animal in it).
Have an older (late 70's) Sheridan Blue Streak too; the seals are starting to go, but it's still a hell of a lot of fun to shoot. I'll rebuild it at some point:thumbup:
-sh00ter
Five shot group at 10M (seated)...
I've used mine for small game. Here's a link to a pic (since there's a dead animal in it).
Have an older (late 70's) Sheridan Blue Streak too; the seals are starting to go, but it's still a hell of a lot of fun to shoot. I'll rebuild it at some point:thumbup:
-sh00ter
Done a couple, never won, some really talented shooters out there (or cheaters
). Fun though, since while there's no one around, if you're honest about the requirements of the match, you do feel a little bit of pressure to perform:thumbup:-sh00ter
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sh00ter01, that chick begging for a larger tank conversion. Run yourself a remote line and carry a larger tank on your person or just hang the tank off your stock somewhere.
I've thought about it, but like the light weight and size of the carbine. I've also thought of swapping to a longer barrel to take full advantage of the amount of CO2 I'm dumping with each shot, but again size and weight.
Next step for me would be a PCP, I'm done messing with CO2 velocity fluctuations due to temperature.
-sh00ter