Oh I'm not concerned with conspiracy. But CR isn't the only company using S35VN. When you have a big name like Chris Reeve getting a lot of scrutiny over this new steel, aren't you curious how his competitors did with it ? I know I am. Seems like common practice to me - to compare directly with competitors.
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Oh I'm not concerned with conspiracy. But CR isn't the only company using S35VN. When you have a big name like Chris Reeve getting a lot of scrutiny over this new steel, aren't you curious how his competitors did with it ? I know I am. Seems like common practice to me - to compare directly with competitors.
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Agreed.....
But you cannot deny the point that is being made.
I think you misunderstood. The "conjecture" was in reference to some people assuming Strider's HT would be done right. I want to see tests. That's all I was saying.
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Yes, i watch all of themGlad i have all S30 blades...hope they get this figured out.
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This is a half-memory...but I remember a user report and a long, contentious thread here or at Spyderco Forums that resulted from an M4 blade, on a Gayle Bradley I think, suffering edge chipping cutting "just" copper Cat5 cable, which I would have thought you could cut with a SAK. Wire may yield surprising results, dunno.
First off, I completely understand the test, and do look at the results of both the AUS-8 and the S35VN. However, I am a dumb guy, and do not understand the point of cutting metal power cord to show anything. You are using a metal knife blade to cut another metal, power cord is generally made of softer copper stranded or solid conductor wiring. I mean no offense to anyone, but to preach the old saying, if I need to pry something I use a pry bar, if I need to cut conductor wiring, I use cable cutters
It started out as a test of Cold Steel's AUS-8a, which I suspect was just for the hell of it. After that steel performed so well, he threw the Sebenza in there (again I suspect for the hell of it).
The point isn't that CRK's S35VN can't sustain cutting copper wire for long, it's that Cold Steel's AUS-8a outperformed it. (To test edge retention in normal use would take too long for a YouTube video, so you have to put a bit more pressure on the steel without going overboard).
The point isn't that CRK's S35VN can't sustain cutting copper wire for long, it's that Cold Steel's AUS-8a outperformed it. (To test edge retention in normal use would take too long for a YouTube video, so you have to put a bit more pressure on the steel without going overboard).
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Just curious..is this the same knife used on the rope test? Could this just be a single bad HT batch, and not representative of all S35VN? I can't imagine that so many companies, CRK, Strider, Spyderco, ZT, etc would switch to S35VN without doing similar tests, etc before....maybe this is an isolated incident?
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I don't think you can call it conjecture when the same test is applied to two different steels and one obviously performs better than the other. I would expect S35VN to perform better than AUS8!!
I agree that testing other brands currently using S35VN will add more credibility and it sounds like that is happening soon enough.
EDIT TO ADD: I just saw the previous post by Ankerson where he mentions that a Spyderco with S35VN failed in the same way.........
Houston, we have a problem
Yeah, I'm the one that tested both the CRK and the Native 5. Both failed in the exact same way. Videos below.
[video=youtube;z1oq7PzjJkY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1oq7PzjJkY[/video]
[video=youtube;q3nfCJtAcLI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3nfCJtAcLI[/video]
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Fair enough
I too want to see other brands that use this steel be tested.
Kershaw is sending me a new ZT 0550 in S35VN to test. Should be here some time next week.
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I don't own and have never used s35vn or s30v or s90v for that matter. I'm not really interested in being the first guy I know to try a new steel. I pretty much stick with what works until someone proves that there is something better and that takes time, usually two or three years of mass production. I know it probably keeps me from experiencing them first but I really can't see the point.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
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You don't understand what I'm saying. CRK and Spyderco have gotten the same amount of attention from me. It's only HERE in THIS forum that the CRK is getting more attention. Wonder why? It's the CRK forum for crying out loud.
Soon I will have tested 3 different knives from 3 different companies using the same steel. No one here is picking on poor old CRK knives.
You know where I heard about these "issues" ? It was a thread on the Kershaw forums
And it's pretty much the same shit being re-spewed here. WE already know Spyderco's sample and CRs sample. But no one seems interested in testing Strider S35VN HT. Just the same test XXXX over and over. Nothing new.... Oh btw, I just cut a bunch of VGA monitor cord with my Insingo. Never hurt the edge at all until I foolishly tried to cut through the ferrite thingy. I had forgotten what it was. Even with a small ding in the blade the knife slices paper without a hitch. I took photos if you want to see the edge damage. Now if you don't mind, Blizzard has graciously invited me to play the Diablo III closed beta.
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First off, I completely understand the test, and do look at the results of both the AUS-8 and the S35VN. However, I am a dumb guy, and do not understand the point of cutting metal power cord to show anything. You are using a metal knife blade to cut another metal, power cord is generally made of softer copper stranded or solid conductor wiring. I mean no offense to anyone, but to preach the old saying, if I need to pry something I use a pry bar, if I need to cut conductor wiring, I use cable cutters
The point is to show that a steel used in a $60 knife will do something better than a steel in a $300 knife, and do it in a short enough video that you can post it on line w/o too much hassle. The only way to show a difference under these conditions is choose something fairly demanding to cut. You could just cut cardboard, but you won't fit that into a 15 minute video. To separate the good knives from the bad, you're going to have to do things that will potentially damage the knives. If all you want a knife to cut is food, paper, cardboard, and other soft material, and you know how to sharpen fairly quickly, any knife will do. The cutting volume on the videos is pretty low. If I paid $300 for a knife and it didn't cut this cable a few times without damage, I'd send it back.
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You know where I heard about these "issues" ? It was a thread on the Kershaw forums
Now if you don't mind, Blizzard has graciously invited me to play the Diablo III closed beta.
I am VERY interested in testing Strider's S35VN. If anyone is willing to send some to me then I'm more than happy to test it. But I'm not going out and spending 400 of my money just to roll the dice.
Please guys lets keep this civil... Well agreed on the Strider and the ZT Testing... I say we hold up for the ZT test along with the HT difference and go from there-
If the ZT has a completely different result or significant difference- it would definitely warrant a Strider Test for sure!
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If the ZT has a completely different result or significant difference- it would definitely warrant a Strider Test for sure!
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Ok, I am a gonna say this, because I own knives that cost 5 bucks to well over a grand, I DO NOT EXPECT knives to cut metal objects multiple times, no matter who the manufacturer is cold steel, CRK, or Ginsu (spelling check). Knives are not for cutting metals, repeatedly, period. They are meant for cutting as you have said, paper, soft materials, cardboard, field dressing game, and plain old utility work, metal not included. I understand what you are saying to speed up the test for the you tube, you cut something harder. But really, that is apples and hand grenades. If I need to cut wire, I will use a pair of wire snips or the wire cutters on a utility tool.
Bottom line, is there something wrong with the heat treat with all of the makers that utilized S35VN, then it should be known and be rectified, no matter who the maker. Has anyone asked or tried to contact any companies that utilize S35VN on their criteria and testing that has been completed prior to their manufacture of the knife.
Do I own a S35VN knife that I am happy with? yes, a CRK large Insingo that has been my EDC for over two months that I use daily in fire scenes. It has cut up many things, even nicked a metal wire or two and metal staples. Has the edge chipped? no Has the edge stayed sharp? yes. Any regrets? no Is it the new super steel for me? The jury is still out for me.
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diablo 3.... U bastard! Jealous!You know where I heard about these "issues" ? It was a thread on the Kershaw forums
Now if you don't mind, Blizzard has graciously invited me to play the Diablo III closed beta.
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