Anyone else hate doing gun & knife shows?

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I've done 2 gun and knife shows so far, and I must say...I really hated working them. I guess I'm just not cut out for sitting there patiently, dealing with legions of tire-kickers who drool over the knives, get their grubby hands all over them...and then walk away without buying, having emitted the far-too-common, "I'll be back!"

Yesterday, in north Austin, I dealt with...

  • A mother with tots in tow, who admonished one of them, "Don't get too close to that table, they've got knives just LAYING OUT ALL OVER THE PLACE" (Uh, hello, ma'am...IT'S A GUN AND KNIFE SHOW HERE, why don't you train your kids right or leave 'em at home?)

  • The one-uppers who would scan the table, then ask for whatever I didn't have. (Do you have Bokers? What...no Bokers??? How about Case collectibles...what, you just have stinky old handmade high-end high priced customs? You don't got nothin' with Dale Earnhard on it???")

  • After I'd given up (way too many people, way too few wallets opening up), a guy asking, "Ma'am, quick question, could you explain to me what the different kinds of steel are?" (My reply: "Uh, sure, guy...if you've got a few semesters, because that's several courses in Mechanical Engineering you just asked for and as you can see, I'm packing up to go home now.")

  • The contentious moron who asked, "Ma'am, how much is that machete there?" and when I said, "Oh, let's look at the price tag...it's $35." he said, "THAT'S A $5 MACHETE! I know because I bought one of those in 2004 for $5!" To which I replied, "Yeah, you got a deal, and do you know what's happened to the price of steel in the last 4 years?" He said, "It hasn't increased 7 times!" And I said, "Hey, if you don't want it, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT, JACK!"

I packed up early and left, and donated my tables for today to the nice older couple next to me. I don't need those shows. Not at all.

Yeah...shows. :rolleyes::jerkit::rolleyes::jerkit:
 
"Master Bates" is not to be used in the General Forums, just so you know.

Added: Turns out I was wrong about this, and I'll be the first to admit it.
 
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"Master Bates" is not to be used in the General Forums, just so you know.

Not true. The moderators of several forums are trying to keep that smiley out of their forums, but General Knife Discussion is not one of those forums, and neither is TGB&U.
 
Not true. The moderators of several forums are trying to keep that smiley out of their forums, but General Knife Discussion is not one of those forums, and neither is TGB&U.

Sorry, my mistake. I'll shut up now. Just a personal opinion here, but I'd like to see it banned altogether. Seems like inferring someone is a "jerk-off" without actually having the nerve to come out and say so is counter-productive.
 
There is something about shows that really brings out the dorks. I know people who own stores and also go to shows -- they get dorks in the store from time to time, but at a show the dorks line up at your table; there isn't room for them all....

I guess some people think it's like a yard sale; they expect to see used Sebenzas marked $20 and if they offer $5 they'll probably end up settling at $10....
 
Uh, yeah, guys...I didn't mean to offend anyone with that icon, and honestly it took me awhile to figure out what the words "Master Bates" meant, as I am female. I just thought that since it was available on the menu, it was fair game.

Can we get back to talking about shows now?
 
This will make me even more uncomfortable when I go to a show and I want to look at a knife or ask questions.
 
If you are unhappy dealing with the "public," do your best to avoid such work. The "public" are unlikely to improve -- in your estimation.
 
Maybe this thread is just pointless ranting with nothing serious about it at all -- some people are already asking why I didn't move it to W&C instead of to TGB&U. Or it could be a chance to talk about etiquette at shows and some people might learn something from it. What's it going to be?
 
The shows can be bad from the other side of the table too. I just look at it as a few dollars spent to spend an afternoon looking at stuff and maybe finding a deal or two amongst the over-priced beat up knives and shiny new UC junk. Used to be able to spend five and go back both days. Now (with local shows, anyway) gotta pay extra for extra days. You figure folks are $5-10 out of pocket for the privilege of buying your stuff, they gonna want a deal.
 
Shows are better than retail stores. At least the folks at a show paid admission to get in. Store owners deal all day with folks wandering in and gasping at $35 or $40 pocket knives. "Wow. Who would spend that much for a pocket knife when you can get one just like it at the gas station for $3.99!?!"

I always give sellers at knife shows several pieces of advice (and remember, I almost always stand on the buyer's side of the table, so what I'm offering you here is from the buyer's perspective which is what you need.)

1) How you treat your knives telegraphs to me what you think they're worth, and, therefore, what I should think they're worth. If you just throw a pile of knives on the table, I'm not going to think much of them. But if you put down a nice table cloth and carefully put the knives on pads or stands or at least neatly arrange them, then I'm likely to think more of them... and you.

2) How you dress yourself telegraphs to me what you think about your knives and yourself and, therefore, how I should think about your knives and you. I don't need to see you in a three-piece Brooks Brothers suit, but would a clean sport shirt kill you?

3) Stand up. I'm necessarily standing up and it's socially ackward and uncomfortable for me to talk down to you. I know, you have to stand there all day and your feet are killing you. What do you think I do on the other side of the table? Wear good shoes. If it helps, bring a pad to stand on. If you just can't stand, then bring a TALL stool to sit on so that we'll be more or less eye-to-eye.

4) Do not eat at your table... unless you brought enough for everyone else in the room. You learned this in kindergarten and it's still true today. Furthermore, slobbering special sauce all over them telegraphs to me how you think about your knives.

5) Do not watch movies on your laptop, play video games, talk endlessly on your cellphone or chat endlessly with the other sellers. This tells me that you're really not here to sell knives. If, in a room full of knives, you're playing Donkey Kong on your cellphone, then I know instantly that you're not a knife person.

6) Take off the earphones... and the cellular headset too. These things tell me that you're not really interested in having a conversation with me.

7) Smile. Just do it.

8) Give me a bit of the "back story." Where are you from? Why/how did you get into knife making/selling? What interests you in knives? Why do you think your knives are different or are the knife I should buy today?" I know, you've given this speil 150 times today already and it's not even lunch yet. But I haven't heard it.

9) Be kind to others, especially children. You may know very well that this seven-year-old kid isn't going to buy your $2500 custom knife. But don't shoo him away dismissively. Take a minute or two (that's probably the extent of his attention span anyway) and say, "See this handle here? That ebony. It's a rare wood. See how black it is? That's not painted; it's that way naturally. Isn't that pretty engraving? See how shinney the blade is. I polished that for hours." He's still not going to buy your $2500 custom knife, but I'm standing behind him and I was impressed that you took the time to be kind to him and educate him a bit and I just might buy your $2500 knife.

10) Learn. You're in a room with hundreds of knife enthusiasts. Chance are that one of them knows something you don't. So, when people come to your table, engage them in conversation and see what you can learn. They may not leave any money at your table, but if they leave a bit of wisdom or an obscure factoid, well that's something of value for you too... assuming you are interested in knives.

11) Finally, treat everyone as if they're a potential buyer because you never know. People dress very casually at knife shows. Several years ago at a knife show, I was looking at some very nice custom knives on one maker's table, five-figure knives, when another customer got the maker's attention and asked, "Will you take fifty for these three knives together?"

"F.F.F.Fifty... th. th. th..thousand?"

"Yes. Cash, of course."

"Ahh... sure!"

The man reached into his bag and proceeded to count out five hundred c-notes. They buyer turned out to be some Arab sheik but he was dressed like he just stepped out of a K-Mart ad.

You just never know.

Several years ago at Blade Show I asked a seller if I could see a knife that he had in his display case. His response was, "That's a butterfly knife. I don't let anyone play with that." And so I walked off. As I left, I heard the seller next to him say to him, "Do you know who that was?"

"No."

"He's one of the largest collectors of butterfly knives in the world."

A few moments later, the first seller pulled on my shirt and held out the knife and begged me to look at it. My response was, "That a butterfly knife. YOU don't let anyone play with that." And I turned away.
 
I just started to get into pocket knives this past summer. I am somewhat interested in the aesthetics, and much more interested in the quality of the build and function. I think that puts me in the catagory of a tire kicker. I don't think I would go to a knife show expecting to buy a custom knife. Rather I would be there looking for a nice production knife that I haven't considered given the limited exposure I get from the internet. While I'm there I am probably going to want to fondel everything I can get my grubby hands on to make my trip interesting to me.

I would actually like to run across something that reaches out and grabs my interest. The thing is that I already have a prejudice that the makers fall into the catagory of a car salesmen. This meaning that they are only interested in entertaining someone that is a lucrative use of their time. I would like to think that this isn't the case, but it seems that you fall into this catagory. I'm not quick to make a blanket judgement and am looking forward to my first show, I'm just pointing out that you may have an unrealistic expectation, and perhaps may not be cutout to do a show. I would walk by your table, and get a feel for a couple of your more appealing knives and then just walk away. To point out what percentage of the population I make up, I work in a blue collar job and there are about thirty in our department. Twenty six of them carry the only knife that caught their fancy at Wal-Mart or the local sporting goods store. That leaves three others that even care that there are better knives out there. This is in a job that requires use of a pocket knife several times a day. I get chided for how much I pay for a knife(75.00-135.00).

To put things into more perspective, a gun and knife show falls somewhere in between a boat show, and a car and home audio show. You know the show where they lay out tables and tables of junk and seconds audio equipment and there is the bonus computer components. This is meant as no offense to the vendors at a knife show, I'm just saying that this show is going to attract the same kind of croud, and the 85% that I described earlier are just going to be walking around thinking "YEAH RIGHT. Do I look like a sucker to you?"
 
Gollnick,
You got it exactly on all points! Vendors should treat us all as potential buyers due to the usual high admission fees we pay not to mention we endure the hassle of parking lots and having to deal with a huge crowd of people in order to attend. In my older age(50 yo) I am becoming more and more particular with who I will do business and I do not tolerate being treated improperly or with disrespect. I have been to only several shows in PA the past couple of years and was very put off by the whole thing but could never really put my finger on it. What I got for the 20 buck admission fee(me and wife)was mostly either rude and/or uncaring vendors while being caught in a hot shuffling crowd of people. I quickly got into a foul mood and we only stayed a very short time. I vowed this to be the last show I would attend and I am much happier knife shopping on-line.
 
I actually go to knife shows mostly just to look. Probably because the only ones I've gone to were custom makers and they were way out of my budget. I must admit, if I knew that that's what makers were thinking when I was admiring their work with no intention of buying, I'd be a little embarrassed and would probably avoid the table:o.

Now gun/knife shows are different. I actually have bought at those shows, mostly guns. And I do ask the prices on the knives to compare for what I can get online. If it's no where near the online price, I won't buy it. I don't however, rub it in their face and tell everyone who's looking at their table that their stuff is way overpriced, that's just wrong to the dealer/maker. But whether I'm at a store or show I expect to pay a little more than online, but if it's nowhere close, that's really tough luck to the dealer as far as I'm concerned. This is a capitalistic system and if you bring the same product at a higher price and no other reason to buy from you, the consumer won't. And it's your decision to stay in that business if your profit margins don't make sense. With the attitude you seem to give off in the 1st post, I wouldn't buy from you if I had the money and the interest anyway.
 
It goes both ways. Both the vendors and the attendees should be polite and respectful of the other people they are dealing with.
 
Settsecurity, thats the kind of attitude that gives makers and vendors a bad name. You should follow what Gollnick says as he was right on in his post. When I started making knives many years ago, the local gun show was my only outlet then as years progressed more knife only shows were around, till now when they are everywhere. But I still occasionly will do the local gun and knife show. The table prices are only $60 for two days and its 15 minutes from the house.I have met quite a few mid to high end collectors there and I am the only custom maker.I have done very well, selling out several times and always taking home orders. One collector purchased 20 knives over a 2 year period. I have another that has 3 orders now with more to follow and about 20 sheaths.
I have a nice table display and do pretty much like Gollnick said.If collectors are going to spend money at your table you owe them your full attention and courtesy. Sure you have tirekickers but they are potential customers and deserve your respect too.Go in with a good attitude and have fun, and remember you are selling yourself as much as your product. Dave:)
 
I actually go to knife shows mostly just to look. Probably because the only ones I've gone to were custom makers and they were way out of my budget. I must admit, if I knew that that's what makers were thinking when I was admiring their work with no intention of buying, I'd be a little embarrassed and would probably avoid the table:o.

Now gun/knife shows are different. I actually have bought at those shows, mostly guns. And I do ask the prices on the knives to compare for what I can get online. If it's no where near the online price, I won't buy it. I don't however, rub it in their face and tell everyone who's looking at their table that their stuff is way overpriced, that's just wrong to the dealer/maker...... This is a capitalistic system and if you bring the same product at a higher price and no other reason to buy from you, the consumer won't. And it's your decision to stay in that business if your profit margins don't make sense. With the attitude you seem to give off in the 1st post, I wouldn't buy from you if I had the money and the interest anyway.

1. Kaizen.....if I was set up at a show and ANYONE got lippy in a way that your comment which I bolded indicated.....I would put that mouthy SOB in the frikkin hospital...and happily take my punishment...and get out and do the same thing again....it is a gun show, not Wal-Mart...THOSE poor SOB's have to take crap...table holders at a gun show do not....minding your manners as a buyer ensures that you have as good a time as you can.

2. SettSecurity, gun and knife shows SUCK for knife sales....the one here in SoCal is pathetic...the sellers, with the exception of Barry Dawson and his clan, and Oso Grande don't have a lot of good stuff, and the buyers are just plain ignorant....used to be a kick azz show back in the late '90's, too.

The caveat to this statement is if you have el cheapo knife crap...the swine love that stuff...and you can make money on it.

We had some folks walk in with decent stuff to sell us, mostly ,so the shows were not usually a complete waste of time. My business partner focuses on guns now, and usually has a good show....maybe you should sell kettle corn or jerky...the fat SOBs usually break out their wallets for that stuff.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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