Anyone else tired of the excessive flipper craze?

Hickory n steel said:
...which I've seen in lots of videos about them I watched when I first heard of them a few years ago ) and from those videos I have ascertained that you have to draw the knife a certain way, and that it's not the same as drawing an ordinary knife from your pocket. So I still think that you'd have to think about how you draw it cause if you don't draw it right it will fail to open, and i don't want to have to do anything different while drawing my knife in order to avoid the stud if I might still have to use a thumb stud. ( but these are just assumptions that I'll never be able to prove because I dont like the way they look and I won't buy one ) I don't think you'll be able to convince me so let's just agree to disagree...
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Don't watch videos, get a waved knife and try it, you are not changing anything in terms of drawing your knife, wave draws almost identical to haw you draw out of your pocket your regular folder. Wave is way easier to open and almost never fail to open because you are applying constant contact to the blade and forcing it to lock, just as you would ride the thumbstud till the blade locks. Flippers have contact with the finger/force applied, only about 30-40% of the way they have to travel and rely on inertia to lock reliably. Unfortunately during that free travel lots of things can happen...
Aesthetically, I like flippers, I'm not a hardcore "thumbstud riding guy" but personally prefer thumbstuds and I've seen so much dumb conclusions on internet videos that I hardly ever watch them except if I'm curious to see some new model or so...
 
REVDH said:
All the new zts this year i want, but i hate flippers. If they could only add a tiny little thumb stud on there.
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Well, the only thing that could possibly accomplish is give the customer base one more thing to complain about.
 
Hmm, flippers, I love me some flippers :D

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Sorry OP, but you asked for it with that rant :P
 
REVDH said:
All the new zts this year i want, but i hate flippers. If they could only add a tiny little thumb stud on there.
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I love my flipper, but I'm with you on the thumb stud. What I would like much better is a groove on the blade so I could open like a traditional. There is just no opening my ZT any other way but flipping. The detent is just too firm, and there is not enough purchase room for the thumb while the knife is closed. And sometimes you just want to be less "flashy" when deploying. [emoji41]
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More knives with Spyderholes make me happy :) More flippers do not. Pretty sure I could sell all of them but my ZT0452CF. Not sick of the craze, but 9/10 times prefer a traditional, non-assisted opener (usually with a thumb hole).
 
REVDH said:
All the new zts this year i want, but i hate flippers. If they could only add a tiny little thumb stud on there.
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Yes. I really like how ZT has narrowed the profile of newer knives, making them more pocket friendly. I know ZT builds quality knives as I own a couple. Sadly, the flipper-only method just ruins the whole thing for me. I don't flick, flip or shake knives to open them. I own a few flippers and they just don't do it for me.

I feel about deployment methods like I do about pocket clips--generally speaking whatever you use I can pretty much live with. But a bad, unusual, upside down or poorly designed clip can make an otherwise desirable knife into an undesirable knife very easily. Same with a disliked deployment method.
 
I hate flippers. I would be thrilled if ZT would produce some non-flippers. My 0550 is lonely.
 
POCEH KOCEB said:
Don't watch videos, get a waved knife and try it, you are not changing anything in terms of drawing your knife, wave draws almost identical to haw you draw out of your pocket your regular folder. Wave is way easier to open and almost never fail to open because you are applying constant contact to the blade and forcing it to lock, just as you would ride the thumbstud till the blade locks. Flippers have contact with the finger/force applied, only about 30-40% of the way they have to travel and rely on inertia to lock reliably. Unfortunately during that free travel lots of things can happen...
Aesthetically, I like flippers, I'm not a hardcore "thumbstud riding guy" but personally prefer thumbstuds and I've seen so much dumb conclusions on internet videos that I hardly ever watch them except if I'm curious to see some new model or so...
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My experience with waved folders says otherwise. You can certainly fail to open the knife, e.g., if you dont draw quick enough or at the right angle (so that it doesnt grab the pocket seam or wherever it should).
 
NO. They're a pleasure, here & hand.



An agent at GP shared his Spyde Mantra with me...itch... now it's on the short list.

-SNAP- "gunna cutcha!" a Leek's first Christmas; my kids just rolled their eyes.



Thank You for bringing it up OP:thumbup:, fond memories, good reads/pics too. Long Live The Flipper:thumbup::thumbup:
 
sharp_edge said:
My experience with waved folders says otherwise. You can certainly fail to open the knife, e.g., if you dont draw quick enough or at the right angle (so that it doesnt grab the pocket seam or wherever it should).
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We are moving from "Why I'm not crazy about flippers" to "Why I can't open waved folder every time" but here is what I can say: It never happened to me. I thought about it after your post and have to correct myself: I actually push the knife down instead of pulling it out of the pocket as a normal flipper, but this is something I developed with the time, before this, I was pulling the knife straight up, just as everybody else, I assume. In both cases however I had more occasions when the knife opened when I didn't want it to open, than failure to open and lock.
In regard of what you're saying about the wave catching the pocket - I don't know many that carry their folders in the middle of the pocket, they always are either in the back or in the front corner of it. If this is the case, the wave is catching regardless of your intention ( because sometimes I like to get the knife out without opening it). Anyway, the advantage of the waved knife vs flipper in case where the blade not fully deploys and locks is that with the flipper is hard to complete the process, not impossible but more complicated and definitely slower than working with waved knife under the same circumstances. Here we are going in to the territory of "Would I use a folding knife as a weapon ?" and if you choose to go with the "weapon" site, there are different principles that apply, I wouldn't discuss it in this thread...

Just out of curiosity, what waved folders you have experience with, which make and model did you have that failed to open and lock ?
 
I like flippers but despise assisted flippers. I always feel that something will fail. I think Emerson does the best flipper because you can open it easily 3 ways: flipper, thumb stud and wave. Hinderer is a super smooth flipper but takes a little more effort for the thumb deployment.
 
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