I love my ZT. I love to flip it open. But I don't like when I'm sneaking up on the enemy sentry, and I can't open my flipper one handed stealthily enough to immobilize him without alerting him first. Now that is the only criticism I have about flippers. [emoji41]
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Anyone else tired of the excessive flipper craze?
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Ditto. I HATE that. :grumpy:
I wasn't aware there was an excessive flipper craze going on, but I'm glad this thread alerted me to it. Sign me up. I love flippers. :thumbup:
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If it weren't for the flipper craze currently going on, I don't think I would have ever discovered this hobby, so I am (very) thankful for that.
With that said, I wouldn't mind seeing more flipper models that also have practical thumbstuds. In fact, the next knife I purchase will probably only have a thumbstud (eyeballing a Rockstead Higo).
With that said, I wouldn't mind seeing more flipper models that also have practical thumbstuds. In fact, the next knife I purchase will probably only have a thumbstud (eyeballing a Rockstead Higo).
All the concern over the stop pin being worn out has me really reconsidering shooting my gun.
Imagine the stresses caused by that slide slamming back-and-forth with every round spent and case ejected.
Which makes me think of using a reloader. I'll be the torque on that handle and pressure on all moving parts will cause eventual failure.
And the table it's attached to. The clamp or the table will give way eventually and it'll be firewood.
Which makes me think of of using an ax. I can't imagine what happens to the handle every time that ax head cleaves its way through some wood.
Which makes me think about pulling that trailer full of wood. The stress on the brake calipers when I stop must be incredible. Catastrophe waiting to happen.
That's it, no more flippers, no more shooting, no more reloading, no more firewood, no more driving.
The world is just too damn dangerous.
What's that you say?
Flippers are DESIGNED to be flipped?
Oh.
Imagine the stresses caused by that slide slamming back-and-forth with every round spent and case ejected.
Which makes me think of using a reloader. I'll be the torque on that handle and pressure on all moving parts will cause eventual failure.
And the table it's attached to. The clamp or the table will give way eventually and it'll be firewood.
Which makes me think of of using an ax. I can't imagine what happens to the handle every time that ax head cleaves its way through some wood.
Which makes me think about pulling that trailer full of wood. The stress on the brake calipers when I stop must be incredible. Catastrophe waiting to happen.
That's it, no more flippers, no more shooting, no more reloading, no more firewood, no more driving.
The world is just too damn dangerous.
What's that you say?
Flippers are DESIGNED to be flipped?
Oh.
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Hickory n steel
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I originally said that I'm not a fan of flippers ( I have yet to own a non assisted flipper so I still don't know ), but they are interesting and while I don't think I'd like them as much as an oho lockback I would try them out if I found a sleek simple one that caught my eye. I do appreciate them as a simple yet effective opening mechanism ,so I guess I can't say I'm not a fan now can I.
( I can definitely say that I'm not interested in trying out waves, where you have to think about what your doing in order to open your knife and can fail to open it if you don't )
( I can definitely say that I'm not interested in trying out waves, where you have to think about what your doing in order to open your knife and can fail to open it if you don't )
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Name ONE opening method you don't have to think about. I find when I'm carrying a waved knife, I more often than not have to think about NOT waving it open when I pull it out of my pocket. The wave takes very little or no thought at all IME. If it does fail, just use the thumb stud, or wrist flick.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, just saying that the wave is not that difficult.
Just curious, does the wave feature ruin your pants at all, or not? I saw another post that showed torn up pocket corners, but I would like to hear from another experienced wave user.
I lersonally wouldn't need a wave, but I just want to know for future reference
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I don't know, I don't really have to think about a thumb stud. It just seems like you'd have to think about how your hooking your pocket corner as you draw the knife, but that may not be the case ( the whole thing just seems like a gimmicky fadd to me that's only needed in a tactical situation ) I don't know because I've never owned one and don't plan on it. I also don't want a knife that I can possibly fail to open, then need to finish opening another way ( have you ever heard of someone with full dexterity in their hands fail to open a thumb studded knife ? ) and finally I don't like how the funny looking wave sticks up and prevents me from putting my thumb on the spine of the blade ( or even how thumb disk style wave looks on a knife ) everyone has things they like or dislike and I can respect that, and the innovation behind these funky knife opening concepts weather or not I would ever own or use them ( because I like my knives dirt simple ) and who knows somebody someone may invent some funky gimmicky knife opening method that I might actually like, it just hasn't happened yet ( except the stud which must've been seen as funky at one time )
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So you've never owned a waved knife, but you claimed that they are difficult to open? If you don't like them for whatever reason, that's cool, but how can you make claims about the operation of things with which you have 0% experience? I can say I don't like Ferraris because of the way they look, but I can't make any claims about the way they drive, because I've never driven one. Who knows, maybe if you tried one, you might like it.
The Wave opener is dirt simple, uncomplicated, and about as easy as one handed opening gets. Just pull it out of your pocket and it opens. What could be more simple? If it doesn't open, then use the thumb studs as normal. no big deal. there is no wasted effort, as all you did was pull it out of your pocket like you would have to do to open any other knife, and yes, I have failed to deploy thumb studs more than once. No method, or thumb stud shape is perfect.
I've never torn out my pockets with a wave, anymore than any other knife. I think the clip, and rough G10 does more pocket damage than a wave.
I'm not trying to sell you on the wave, I'm just rambling and killing time. You be you, and I'll be me.
In the end, we all like knives, and it's all good. :thumbup:
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So you've never owned a waved knife, but you claimed that they are difficult to open? If you don't like them for whatever reason, that's cool, but how can you make claims about the operation of things with which you have 0% experience? I can say I don't like Ferraris because of the way they look, but I can't make any claims about the way they drive, because I've never driven one. Who knows, maybe if you tried one, you might like it.
The Wave opener is dirt simple, uncomplicated, and about as easy as one handed opening gets. Just pull it out of your pocket and it opens. What could be more simple? If it doesn't open, then use the thumb studs as normal. no big deal. there is no wasted effort, as all you did was pull it out of your pocket like you would have to do to open any other knife, and yes, I have failed to deploy thumb studs more than once. No method, or thumb stud shape is perfect.
I've never torn out my pockets with a wave, anymore than any other knife. I think the clip, and rough G10 does more pocket damage than a wave.
I'm not trying to sell you on the wave, I'm just rambling and killing time. You be you, and I'll be me.
I never said they were difficult to open ! I said " it seems like you'd have to think about how you hook them In the corner of your pocket " and that you could fail to open it ( which I've seen in lots of videos about them I watched when I first heard of them a few years ago ) and from those videos I have ascertained that you have to draw the knife a certain way, and that it's not the same as drawing an ordinary knife from your pocket. So I still think that you'd have to think about how you draw it cause if you don't draw it right it will fail to open, and i don't want to have to do anything different while drawing my knife in order to avoid the stud if I might still have to use a thumb stud. ( but these are just assumptions that I'll never be able to prove because I dont like the way they look and I won't buy one ) I don't think you'll be able to convince me so let's just agree to disagree :thumbup:
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Not all waved knives are the same.
With the Waved Spyderco Endura, for instance, you have to try to NOT have it wave open on the draw.
It also makes a better beer bottle opener than the Emerson ones do.
And nothing is 100% all the time. You mention never missing an opening with a thumb stud...I guess you have never been in an adrenaline dump situation. I have, and the thumb went right past the stud; luckily, I could grab the blade with the other hand and open it.
Admittedly it wasn't the most perfectly placed thumb stud; the knives I bought after that had better placed ones. But it goes to show that not all are created equal, and nothing is 100% effective !00% of the time under 100% of conditions.