Anyone heard of THEKNIFEAUCTION.COM

Originally posted by Bill DeShivs
Don't you think you guys are being a little rude, here?
No wonder few people post here. And BTW- 420 steel is not crap. Until recently, it, or a variation thereof, was used by most manufacturers.
You people really amaze me! Experts!
Bill DeShivs
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420 is crap. It has .1% to .i5% carbon and can't be hardened worth a damn. The only good things about it is that it doesn't corrode easily and it can be easily sharpened. That's a good thing, because you will be sharpening it every couple of days if you use your knife a lot. 420HC is a much better steel, but 420J2 is less than pathetic as a blade steel.

As far as The Knife Auction is concerned, I wish Jay all the best and hope that he can make his auction site into something top notch. My comments were aimed at the fact that there seems to be very little action in the way of bids and this has been the case every time I have checked out the site.

The fact that most of the knives that are being auctioned on The Knife Auction are of low quality just means that there will be nothing there to interest me and most of the others that frequent this forum. It doesn't mean that there aren't people that buy these knives. Look at all the crap knives that are posted on ebay. My guess would be that 80% to 85% of what you see there is junk, but when there are 40,000 to 50,000 knives listed it means that there will be 6,000 to 10,000 quality knives to check out.

Good luck with your site Jay. I really do hope that at some point when I check out The Knife Auction there will be knives that I am interested in bidding on. I will look in on a regular basis.
 
Originally posted by wolfmann601
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The consenus thus far is that it's a JUNK SITE. *This is MY opinion, Ok?
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It is consensus here on BFC - and only some members agree. I too agree that at this moment there is nothing interesting posted for sale but that might change. Look at BA or e-bay and the percentage of clones and junk there... There are tons of cheap and POS knives. I guess because some people will buy them (BTW my first knife was $3.00 dagger made by UC and I am sure your first knife was not 500 USD Microtech). People need variety not only in knives but also in sources ... and if another auction sites help - that is OK with me. And if their prices and services are better - why not to try them? And if they force well-established auction house change their fees or improve services - even better. It would not be fun to have only one auction site, one blade material, one fast food, one TV station - right?

David
 
Originally posted by Bill DeShivs
BTW- the big fish knife is not a Microtech! Perhaps that is why it's a POS. The man that made that big knife is one of the old master cutlers from the 1940-1950 era, who made switchblades back then. As far as the steels, most people couldn't tell the difference. The fish knife is a display piece-much too big for any practical use. BTW-where does your steel "expertise" come from? Magazine articles?
As far as the auction, why don't some of you sell some of your "high quality" knives there? The person running the auction really has little to do with what is sold there. An auction is a venue for sales.
Open your eyes, neophytes. And get a little class!
Bill DeShivs
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Yeah, I am sure that you are one of the only people here that knows anything about knives, so I guess we should all bow to your superior knowledge. It is not at all difficult to tell the difference between knives if you use them and have to sharpen them. If you think so highly of 420 then you have all your knives made from it, ok? Personally, I prefer a steel that doesn't need to be sharpened every couple of days.

When it comes to selling my knives, I will stick to doing it here on BladeForums. I don't use any auction site. If I were to want to try selling a knife on one of these sites it wouldn't be one that gets virtually no action. I would want to be able to sell my knife, not have it tied up for a week on a site where 99% of the knives get no bids.

None of the people that have taken part in this thread are neophytes when it comes to knives, nor do they get their knowledge about steels from magazine articles. As far as any of us having class is concerned, you wouldn't have a clue.

Mr. Bladebuilder, I totally disagree with your comment about knockoffs not hurting the industry at all. The companies that make these knives are not paying the royalties and licencing fees that they should be. That is theft. Do you condone theft? It sure sounds like you do. Many of the designs that have been ripped off by Fury,Maaster and others were stolen from makers that could use the royalties that these companies are not paying. These companies are taking food from the mouths of these makers families and that is not all right.
 
Originally posted by Danbo
Jay, if you are trying to bolster a positive image of the site, why would you post a link to something cheesy like that POS?
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Mr. Danbo,

You have missed the point, along with some of the other members here. Mr. Jay is in the business of being the intermediary for profit on his auction site. If your post was the absolute truth, then why isn't anyone blasting Josh over at BA for letting dealers list 50 times more clones? I have found Jay to be quite receptive to anything that will help his auction in a positive way. What gives you the right to dictate to the man what or what not he should sell or do with his own site?

Also, that particular piece is a collector knife, not a user. Who gives an apes ass what kind of steel is used. If it was mine, I'd never let the blade come in contact with anything. I agree with Mr. DeShivs, who pointed out the fact that knife was made by a bladesmith with over 50 years experience at the bench. How would you know that knife is a POS? Have you hefted it? Have you inspected it? Do you have any idea that this knife is hand made from scratch? I agree that $890 seems like a high price, but how the hell does anyone know if thats break even for the thing. Another thing which amazes me is the lack of insight here at BF to ask the seller any questions about the knife. There is the 'Ask seller a question' option on most of these auction sites. If you know so much that it is a POS, did that come from the sellers mouth, or was the pic something you merely glanced at and made your merry conclusion. I have personally met the people from AKC who made the knife, and Mick, from SKM who is selling the knife. Just because they are Italians and specialize in stiletto's because thats what they have been doing for generations, doesn't necessarily mean they can't put out a good product. I have over 100 of their knives, and am a quite satisfied customer. Like Mr. DeShivs said, he likes all knives, and so do I. It's obvious that Mr. DeShivs has forgotton more about knives that most of you idiots will probably ever know.

Ciao

Bonz
 
I guess it's hard for the people who aren't knife knuts who've wandered in here to understand why the members keep rolling their eyes at you and aren't taking you seriously. Maybe an analogy could help understanding.... If you go to an art collectors' forum and talk about a velvet painting of a bullfighter offered for sale for $890, people will roll their eyes at you. If you explain to them that it's a unique one-of-a-kind velvet bullfight painting that was hand painted by a great artist and it's a bargain at the price, they will only roll their eyes at you some more. See, although you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and indeed your opinion of a painting might well be fully as good in your own eyes as the opinions of art collectors, art collectors believe that great artists do not paint bullfights on velvet. Knife knuts believe that great knifemakers do not make oversize stilettos out of 420 steel. It's no use trying to reason with us ... we imagine the years of study we've put into it entitles us to say we know the difference between great art and velvet bullfight paintings.... :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Keith Montgomery
It sure isn't obvious to me.
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Mr. Montgomery,

Whats your claim to fame? What production knife out there has your name on it like Mr. Deshivs has his?

I'm waiting.

Best regards,

Bonz
 
Originally posted by Swinger
Mr Mountgumby thanks for your input however assinine it is. As I stated before the site is only as good as people make it. The attacks on members such as the ones on Mr DeShives only confirms your lack of knife knowledge. Perfect case of should've kept mouth shut and been thought of as an idiot rather then open it and remove all doubt. Through this entire thread I've tried to prevent any rude comments (which isn't easy for me) but seems that is all some here seem to understand.


SD
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Nice to see that you have decided to resort to personal attacks and insults. Shows just how much more mature you are than the rest of us. I may have been bothered by these comments if I hadn't considered the source.
 
Why the personal attack Swinger? This is GB&U and someone asked about THIS auction site. If someone asked about BA, the responses would have been in regards to BA.
My response was made after looking at knifeauction.com. I voiced my opinion and will not be visting that site again. It has NOTHING that interests me as I do not collect or use clones.

You want to know what I think of BA? Start a new thread

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Hey guy's take it easy.Bill DeShivs is one of the Good Guys.I've spent some time over at some switchblade forums and SKM's site etc.People like to collect these types of knives,and as for the steel is concerned that seems to be the standard in Italian & German switches.The steel isn't the best,but not many people using them as a heavy utility knife to notice how long the edge is retained compared to your more expensive steels.I wouldn't pay 890.00 for that knife,but that is me,no reflection on the knives quality.I do believe it's worth the money to the right person.As far as clones are concerned they unfortunatly are a part of every auction site,after the site is around awhile it should get some decent knives for auction.In the beginning they are all like this.If the owner starts to regulate what is sold this early in it's beginning the site would likely fail.I think as time goes on ity will clean itself up.imho
 
Originally posted by TOMBSTONE
.I wouldn't pay 890.00 for that knife,but that is me,no reflection on the knives quality.
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Does not look like anyone will either. That may be due to it's quality, it is over-priced, or very few if anyone is visting that site.

It might sell on E-bay if it's a high-value collectible. For almost $900 it better be!!!

As for Bill Deshivs; he is one of the good guys. That does not make him right 100% of the time. In this case the steel used in that knife is considered crap to today's standard and many of us KNOW the difference.

Not just him and it does not require any of us to make a knife first!!!
 
Last I heard switchblades were still classified as a knife same as a Bussey or Randall. Different style, different material but still a knife. There are many different types of knives out there and there is a collector for each type. That holds true for any collectable really from watches ,pens,stamps etc.So maybe someone can help me out here and let me in on why everyone is arguing about what everyone is on here for to begin with love of knives. If you don't like the Fish being auctioned who gives a rats ass. Just cause you don't like it or the materials don't meet your expectations move on look for a knife you do like. For each and everyone that posted here I'll lay firm odds that each of you owns a knife that another of you think is really ugly,sloppy and stupid looking.Its called human nature. So why devote 3 pages to this nonsense.
Bob
 
I have absolutely no doubt that Bill DeShivs is one of the good guys. It is just that from what is posted on this thread he has not shown me this obvious abundance of knowledge that he has so much of that he has forgotten more than most of us will ever know. Maybe if I read some of the other things he has posted that display this immense knowledge then I would come to the same conclusion.

Bill, I have nothing personal against you. Sorry if that has not appeared to be the case. Jay, all the best with your site; I hope it becomes a huge success. As for the rest of you that like to throw around the insults and personal attacks, you can kiss my.....ASSuming you can actually find it.
 
OK, first of all, I am truly distressed to discover that my Velvet Bullfighter painting isnt worth what I paid... :) Mine glows in the dark though under black light, does that make it more valuable?

Second, if i had any sense, id stay out of this, but i dont, and so...

I think the reason many seasoned collectors view the class of knives being offered on this site with disdain and are offended, is because we/they get tired and truly offended seeing, over and over, people selling absolute junk, but saying things just like: "Used by Navy Seals..." as was said in one referenced auction on that site, which is an outright lie, and then new collectors buy them, pay too much and end up with a knife that not only sucks and is virtually worthless, but may in fact be dangerous as well.

The membership here at BF is for the most part one which holds honesty and integrity in high regard, and to see junk being misrepresented and passed off and sold to the uninformed for more than its worth, which in some circles is tantamount to fraud, really doesnt sit well with me and others as this thread has shown. I dont think the anger is directed at Jay, but rather the sellers who are fraudulently describing and selling very poor quality knives to people who do not yet know better, do we really want new collectors to learn the hard why you get what you pay for, or cut off their finger when the $10 Navy Seal folder's lock fails? Many can't afford to. I know I prefer to have all 11 fingers...

But listen, if anybody knows where I might find a glow in the dark, fuzzy picture of a giant stiletto, please post a link... :)

And by the way, there is no shortage of threads here blasting Ebay sellers, or BA sellers for the same type of thing, so it's not directed at Jay, rather the hoards of, well, whores, who are making money by lying to decent people. There are good quality knives that arent expensive, junk is junk and should not be passed off as anything else.
 
Knife knuts believe that great knifemakers do not make oversize stilettos out of 420 steel. It's no use trying to reason with us ... we imagine the years of study we've put into it entitles us to say we know the difference between great art and velvet bullfight paintings.... :rolleyes:

Mr. Allen,

I too appreciate great art. I have invested a great deal of money to the artists that make the things I like. Let me ask you this, for a handmade knife, and the time it went to making it, what would you think this is worth?
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Or, is it the smell of Italian soul that repulses so many of the members here? I'm just asking a straight forward question.

Have you seen any of these 13" picklocks made to original specs?

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This knife was made by the same maker as the big fish that seems to be the center of attraction here. Not quite as precise as a CNC milled Robbie Dalton, but I'll gaurantee there is no other blonde scale like it in the world. These knives have already increased in value since I bought them. Not to you maybe, but to some of the onlookers at the other forums. You never know, that big fish may end up as a decent catch for someone, one day.


Best regards,

Bonz
 
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