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My first post to this thread stated I was happy that Jay was trying to make another site to find the items I love to collect. I further stated that the auction was only as good as people make it. From there I observed personal atacks on some fine cutlery members. So bringing myself down to your level I stated nanny nanny poo poo. It's not over the value or opinion of a value, it was the total lack or respect that I observed. I really don't care about your opinion of eBay or Blade auction either, and I would've sat this one out if it wasn't for the total lack of respect.
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That is just downright ludicrious and childish a comment
Mr. Wolfmann,
Well, out of this whole vast and powerful site, I have yet to find a whole lot of discussion on the subject, and when I do, its usually negative, and what a bunch of garbage they are. So, IMHO, it seems that most people here, or at least the REMF's, tend to cast a blind eye on the subject.
Sorry if I hit a raw nerve.
Best regards,
Bonz
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Well, out of this whole vast and powerful site, I have yet to find a whole lot of discussion on the subject, and when I do, its usually negative, and what a bunch of garbage they are. So, IMHO, it seems that most people here, or at least the REMF's, tend to cast a blind eye on the subject.
Sorry if I hit a raw nerve.
Best regards,
Bonz
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Mr. Bonzo, those are beautiful knives. I have always liked high quality Italian stilettos and the two you posted, especially the damascus one, are excellent examples of this style of knife that I like the look of very much. I would still want to know the materials used and the price of the knives before I could consider whether they were good value.
I have nothing against anything because of where it originated. Many of the knives that I have seen that originated in Italy are exquisite. Looking at the 19" stiletto on theknifeauction.com though, I just don't see anywhere near $890.00 worth of knife there.
As a display knife, I would tend to agree that the steel is not as important. Since the knife is never going to be used the quality of the steel would be to many people, unimportant. For me, this is not the case. The knives I collect must be made from the finest quality materials, even though they are likely to never be used. It is part of the pride of ownership for me.
Judging a knife from a picture can be a hard thing to do. Unfortunately, when dealing with knives on auction sites that is all you have to work with. That knife may well be of very high quality construction and be much better than it looks in the photo. From what I can see in the picture, if that were an 11" stiletto I would be hard pressed to think of it being worth more than $150.00. Obviously it is harder to make a 19" knife, but somehow $890.00 just seems way out to lunch to me. I realize that this is just my opinion, but to me, when purchasing a knife it is only my final opinion that is going to matter.
This thread has drifted far from the original topic and I am as much to blame for that as anyone else, my apologies.
Once again Jay, all the best with your knife auction business. Hopefully, in the future it will make its way into being the best one out there.
I have nothing against anything because of where it originated. Many of the knives that I have seen that originated in Italy are exquisite. Looking at the 19" stiletto on theknifeauction.com though, I just don't see anywhere near $890.00 worth of knife there.
As a display knife, I would tend to agree that the steel is not as important. Since the knife is never going to be used the quality of the steel would be to many people, unimportant. For me, this is not the case. The knives I collect must be made from the finest quality materials, even though they are likely to never be used. It is part of the pride of ownership for me.
Judging a knife from a picture can be a hard thing to do. Unfortunately, when dealing with knives on auction sites that is all you have to work with. That knife may well be of very high quality construction and be much better than it looks in the photo. From what I can see in the picture, if that were an 11" stiletto I would be hard pressed to think of it being worth more than $150.00. Obviously it is harder to make a 19" knife, but somehow $890.00 just seems way out to lunch to me. I realize that this is just my opinion, but to me, when purchasing a knife it is only my final opinion that is going to matter.
This thread has drifted far from the original topic and I am as much to blame for that as anyone else, my apologies.
Once again Jay, all the best with your knife auction business. Hopefully, in the future it will make its way into being the best one out there.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned that I guess most here don't realize is an Italian leafspring switch is one of the most difficult and frustrating knives to make on this planet.That big fish for $800 didn't get thrown together in someones basement over night. Look at the workshops of custom makers who make these kind of knives and you will find boxes of useless parts that just wern't right.Everything must fit exact or its back to step one.Why do you think so few custom makers make them? Ask the next time and I gaurantee you will hear its because I don't have the time or the patients to make one right when I can grind out 4 6" FB's with zydex sheaths in less time then it takes to make a proper switch.Switches require true craftsmanship to build correctly and not all custom makers are (excuse the pun)cut out for it.
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Is this a different mechanism than is used on the lower priced Italian switchblades?
Keith I had said in my post a proper Italian one that fits like swiss clock work. I am sorry but I don't understand your remark. Do you mean that Burn or Bill Mchenry (Axis lock inventor and Italian switch maker perfectionest) Nemo, Merlin etc all make low end customs because they use the same mechanisisms as cheap Asian switches? I have seen tons of knives that use the rear lockbar like BUCK but they are loose and ill fitted. Does that make the 110 a POS? Your answer is very confusing unless it's gotten to the point on this thread that reason will not overcome bias and ignorance regardless of what is said. I would hate for that to be the answer because then none of us belong here because every factory knife made has copies made by other Companies so whats the point in constantly picking on one type of knife. Tony Marifone did not invent the switchblade no matter how many people here think he did.
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Actually, I was asking a simple question because I wan't to know if the cheaper Italian switchblades used the same mechanism as the more expensive ones. I am not very knowledgeable about this subject and was looking for some information. A little touchy aren't you?
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The same principle applies to all switches regardless of cost and regardless of mechanism. Coil,leaf,button lock,in and out and otf with a cocking lever.Its the craftsmanship that counts and to show you I'm not touchy I will even go on record to say 420J is the worst crap steel for a user made. The reason I never brought it up for the fish was its strictly show,unless you have damn big pockets. Next time your asking a question say it instead of coming back later and claiming I'm touchy! Spell out what you want to know and if I know it I'll answer it. But don't ask a question that can be interperated different ways cause thats school yard stuff and I don't have time to be baited. Maybe you should study up on switches and there various mechanisms then we might be on a more even playing field.I mean over 10,000 posts you should know something about autos by now. I've been here 2 years before you and I'm not even near your post count.Retired Huh?
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The same principle applies to all switches regardless of cost and regardless of mechanism. Coil,leaf,button lock,in and out and otf with a cocking lever.Its the craftsmanship that counts and to show you I'm not touchy I will even go on record to say 420J is the worst crap steel for a user made. The reason I never brought it up for the fish was its strictly show,unless you have damn big pockets. Next time your asking a question say it instead of coming back later and claiming I'm touchy! Spell out what you want to know and if I know it I'll answer it. But don't ask a question that can be interperated different ways cause thats school yard stuff and I don't have time to be baited. Maybe you should study up on switches and there various mechanisms then we might be on a more even playing field.I mean over 10,000 posts you should know something about autos by now. I've been here 2 years before you and I'm not even near your post count.Retired Huh?
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Sorry Bob, I didn't think I could have put it any more simply than I did. All I was doing was asking if it was a different mechanism than is used on less expensive Italian switchblades. It is you that took my question to be some kind of smart ass comment.
Anyway, thanks for the info. Being from Canada where it is illegal to own, possess or cell autos, I have not gotten myself informed on how they work, because it is unlikely that I will ever own one. Even though this is the case, I figure it never hurts to learn more about knives of all kinds.
Does it really matter to you how many posts I have and if I am retired or not, or was that just a shot you were taking at me? You don't have to comment on that, I already know the answer. I gave up caring a long time ago about the "get a life" comments people like to make when they see how many posts I have.
Anyway, thanks for the info. Being from Canada where it is illegal to own, possess or cell autos, I have not gotten myself informed on how they work, because it is unlikely that I will ever own one. Even though this is the case, I figure it never hurts to learn more about knives of all kinds.
Does it really matter to you how many posts I have and if I am retired or not, or was that just a shot you were taking at me? You don't have to comment on that, I already know the answer. I gave up caring a long time ago about the "get a life" comments people like to make when they see how many posts I have.
Back to the original issue - I haven't seen a single one-off knife auction site be sucessful. Even A.G. Russell tried it through the Cutting Edge. It was great for buyers because there was so little traffic there that when they had a no-reserve item, they went very, very cheaply.
At least on Ebay, there is heavy traffic even on obscure items. It doesn't guarantee a great sale price, but it does guarantee traffic.
I doubt that other sites with "low fees" can generate 100th of the traffic that Ebay can. And no, having a "focused" clientele as you might expect at a knife-only site doesn't seem to make a damn bit of difference - it's worse - the bidders are looking to pick up yet another knife for dirt cheap.
I just prefer to wait until something comes up here for sale on the Forum, since its seems that most everything ends up for sale or trade here at least once - excluding knives costing below $10.
At least on Ebay, there is heavy traffic even on obscure items. It doesn't guarantee a great sale price, but it does guarantee traffic.
I doubt that other sites with "low fees" can generate 100th of the traffic that Ebay can. And no, having a "focused" clientele as you might expect at a knife-only site doesn't seem to make a damn bit of difference - it's worse - the bidders are looking to pick up yet another knife for dirt cheap.
I just prefer to wait until something comes up here for sale on the Forum, since its seems that most everything ends up for sale or trade here at least once - excluding knives costing below $10.
Keith
Lets start over here. Yes the mechanisim on a Italian leaf spring stiletto is universal but on older pre 58 knives have subtle diff in craftsmanship. The button assembly is sort of hooked out at the end this part goes through a hole in the liner. There is a hole in the bottom of the knifes choil. When these are lined up correctly the hook grabs into the blade hole and keeps the knife closed.Under the button is a coil spring like on a retractable pen when the button is pressed it lifts the end with the hook up like a seesaw and with nothing holding the blade and spring in place the spring now free throws the blade out and it's open. this is the type of assembly on the big fish thats on auction. Its a very simple mechanisim but must be exact or it can effect lock up mis-fires etc. Since we are talking about the fish I'll stay with that mechanism. Although most detractors here say it's a POS. Stop and think of all the work that went into making a working switch that size. No different then making anyother folder.It still has to be done through the same process. There are no machines that put these things together.So I hope that answers your question on how a knife like that works and whats involved in building one.
Bob
Lets start over here. Yes the mechanisim on a Italian leaf spring stiletto is universal but on older pre 58 knives have subtle diff in craftsmanship. The button assembly is sort of hooked out at the end this part goes through a hole in the liner. There is a hole in the bottom of the knifes choil. When these are lined up correctly the hook grabs into the blade hole and keeps the knife closed.Under the button is a coil spring like on a retractable pen when the button is pressed it lifts the end with the hook up like a seesaw and with nothing holding the blade and spring in place the spring now free throws the blade out and it's open. this is the type of assembly on the big fish thats on auction. Its a very simple mechanisim but must be exact or it can effect lock up mis-fires etc. Since we are talking about the fish I'll stay with that mechanism. Although most detractors here say it's a POS. Stop and think of all the work that went into making a working switch that size. No different then making anyother folder.It still has to be done through the same process. There are no machines that put these things together.So I hope that answers your question on how a knife like that works and whats involved in building one.
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Thanks again for the info, Bob. I really do appreciate your taking the time to pass on that info.
As pertains to the original topic of this thread; Jay has taken on a very difficult task in trying to offer a knife specific auction site. He has to compete with the big guys and it is going to be difficult to get people to give his site a try. I give him full marks for having the moxie to do what he has done.
One thing that has come from this thread is that I now find myself checking out theknifeauction.com every day or two to see if anything that I might be interested in has popped up.
As pertains to the original topic of this thread; Jay has taken on a very difficult task in trying to offer a knife specific auction site. He has to compete with the big guys and it is going to be difficult to get people to give his site a try. I give him full marks for having the moxie to do what he has done.
One thing that has come from this thread is that I now find myself checking out theknifeauction.com every day or two to see if anything that I might be interested in has popped up.
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Checking out the starting bids on the knives on theknifeauction.com I noticed another reason that this site is not seeing much action. Every knife that I checked could be found for much lower prices at any one of many internet dealer sites. Some knives had starting bids 25% higher than I could find them for elsewhere and the "Buy it now" prices were even more rediculous. This isn't something that Jay has anything to do with, but the people putting these knives up for auction should really give their heads a shake.
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'buy it now' prices lower than starting bids? That is NOT an auction but a sale disguised as one.
Clones just do not stimulate knifeknuts to participate in auctions either.
Beyond that it's *just* another auction site, nothing unique, special, and certainly no bargains.........
Clones just do not stimulate knifeknuts to participate in auctions either.
Beyond that it's *just* another auction site, nothing unique, special, and certainly no bargains.........
Keith
To be truthful I reserve my sites to E-Bay and BA where I have found the best deals. It is hard to start an auction today with quality items as was said earlier AG tried and it didn't work. Most people with high end,antique,auto's stick with the tried and true.If jay banned everyone selling crap he would have a pretty small auction. My beef in this whole thread wasn't the auction but the work custom makers go trough to make a switch.Another good example of prescion is the Harkins Trident and the knives by the Vallaton Family.There are quality high end switches out there and for some on here you excluded to deny it is downright ignorant and tells me they flunked knife 101.This has been beat to death so I have nothing else to say to the detractors except try and learn more about your hobby instead of blindly attacking people for there taste in knives. Someday I'll post some of my customs yours look very nice.
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To be truthful I reserve my sites to E-Bay and BA where I have found the best deals. It is hard to start an auction today with quality items as was said earlier AG tried and it didn't work. Most people with high end,antique,auto's stick with the tried and true.If jay banned everyone selling crap he would have a pretty small auction. My beef in this whole thread wasn't the auction but the work custom makers go trough to make a switch.Another good example of prescion is the Harkins Trident and the knives by the Vallaton Family.There are quality high end switches out there and for some on here you excluded to deny it is downright ignorant and tells me they flunked knife 101.This has been beat to death so I have nothing else to say to the detractors except try and learn more about your hobby instead of blindly attacking people for there taste in knives. Someday I'll post some of my customs yours look very nice.
Bob
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first of all Jay,
You may have registered your domain before me, you did not have the auction software before i did.
You simply copied that software that i was using after you saw my site.
That's okay. I was flattered to say the least.
By the way bladeauctions.com is in no way affiliated with Josh's bladeauction.com
For the most part the domain has been sitting there going to waste however i have recently purchased a new software application that is more robust than any current knife auction site.
You may have registered your domain before me, you did not have the auction software before i did.
You simply copied that software that i was using after you saw my site.
That's okay. I was flattered to say the least.
By the way bladeauctions.com is in no way affiliated with Josh's bladeauction.com
For the most part the domain has been sitting there going to waste however i have recently purchased a new software application that is more robust than any current knife auction site.