Anyone who will NOT buy a Sage because they are made in Taiwan?

[RDA]

To the OP, if your purchase decisions are dictated by the country of origin then I am afraid you will miss out on many quality products made outside the States. For me, I have no qualms with buying an US Iphone...

A US made IPhone? I'd like to see that, I thought they were all made in China?

Regards,

Rich

 

[Liveitloud]

A US made IPhone? I'd like to see that, I thought they were all made in China?

Regards,

Rich

They are made in several different countries. Intel makes their flash chip, Samsung makes their video processor and Sharp and Sanyo make their display. I think there are quite a few more in the mix but those are the ones that come to mind.

 

[Liveitloud]

Got to poking around and found some more info on iPhone:

Software and design Apple USA
Assembly Foxconn?, Quanta, Unknown Taiwan
TFT-LCD Screen Sanyo Epson, Sharp, TMD Japan
Video processor chip Samsung Korea
Touch screen overlay Balda Germany
Bluetooth chip Cambridge Silicon Radio UK
Chip manufacture TSMC, UMC Taiwan
Baseband IC Infineon Technology Germany
WIFI Chip Marvell USA
Touch screen control chip Broadcom USA
CMOS chip Micron USA
NOR Flash ICs Intel, SST USA
Display Driver chip National Semi, Novatek US, TW
Case, Mechanical parts Catcher, Foxconn Tech Taiwan
Camera lens Largan Precision Taiwan
Camera module Altus-Tech, Primax, Lite On Taiwan
Battery Charger Delta Electronics Taiwan
Timing Crystal TXC Taiwan
Passive components Cyntec Taiwan
Connector and cables Cheng Uei, Entery Taiwan

 

[BITEME]

man I almost don't even no where to go with this part of it reflects my sentiments the made in USA part, but not everthing realistically can be made here we are all on the planet together but enough of that !the Sage to me is my favorite of all the spyderco knives aside from the old 83mm manix,I guess the only gripe is it's med. duty pocket clip.By the way if anybody has a new titanium sage that is slightly bitter about it's origins I'll give you $110 for it-seriously

 

[THG]

If you knew Kershaw is a Japanese company

"If I knew?" Go check my post history. I've posted many times before that Kai is a Japanese company.

then it is disingenuous in your post to make it seem like they are a true-blue "Buy America" company, because that is what readers of your post will assume.

Really? Read it again:

Exactly lol

I don't really have a "problem" with the Sage being made in Taiwan. I'm sure the quality and all is superb. It's just that there are USA options at a better price. That's why I've been buying Kershaw lately. If I CAN buy USA, I SHOULD buy USA when the alternative is available.

So no, it's not a simple, "OMG CHINA/TAIWAN/JAPAN MAKES ME SICK!" thing.

All I said was that there are options for knives that are made in the USA, so I prefer to buy from them. Kershaw happens to make knives in the US, and I prefer to buy from them. Their HQ might not be here, but they are employing American people to make their products. Just because you assumed something in my post doesn't mean that it's correct or that everyone else is going to make the same assumption.

Not all their knives are "Made in USA" and certainly their components are not USA-made.

Now you're just dragging your carcass through the mud of.... Irrationality (I usually use "stupidity," but I don't think that would be warranted here in this case )

1. I didn't say all of their knives are made in the USA. I said that they have a lot of USA-made options.

2. Did you not read my last post? CPM-D2 is not USA-made? S30V is not USA-made? CPM-154? 410? The G10 comes from elsewhere? And like I said, Thomas W said that even Sandvik steel is processed here. I'm sure he can chime in and tell us where the screws are made if you still want to score that point

I still don't agree with you.

Then don't

 

[Haze]

Do you suppose people in Taiwan have these conversations about products made in USA?

Yes, they do. I have had the same conversation with many knife people in Taiwan. They are far less worried where a knife comes from or how it's marked......just as long as it's not China.

 

[Harry Callahan]

I work with American workers and trust me, as a workforce we're not all that hot. We got people calling in sick, sneaking outside for what amounts to DAYS per month to smoke, leaving early, and generally not giving a s##t what they're doing. If the Taiwanese people take pride in the products they're turning out and they are making an effort, then good on 'em. That's a heckuva better attitude than 90% of the "gimme" workforce over here is doing. Sheesh. This video game generation is capable of, well, playing video games. Reminds me of a machinist that was talking about Japanese, German, and American machine tools. He basically said to stay away from anything made over here. Lathes, drill presses, name it. He said if you had your heart set on American tooling, make sure it was from the 1950s or prior. Steer clear of anything modern.

A buddy of mine works in a factory environment. He said when the bell rings for morning break everyone goes on break (naturally). Then when the bell rings to go back to the floor, everyone heads for the bathroom. A whole extra 15 minutes is wasted because nobody pissed during the "official" break. Even if there was a few "honest" workers that hurried back to the floor, actual production couldn't take place because the majority of the workers are still in the locker room.

If the Asian folks are cranking out a quality product, then I'm not ashamed to buy it. The "made in" labeling is a farce anyhow, by and large. There's a lot of re-boxing that goes on and "made in USA" is stamped on a lot of stuff that's actually made elsewhere and finished here. So even the most anal of the "look for the union label" crowd can't really be sure of what they're buying.

I carry my Seki Spydies with glowing pride. Same thing with my Taiwan made Gayle Bradley. Same with my Golden made Military. All of them are quality products. Excellent bang for the buck.

 

[monger4142]

I love Spyderco, I love the ergonomics, style, innovation, blades, so on and so forth. I have been looking for a strong EDC blade that will not make me think twice and I can have on my pocket for years which brought me to the Sage series of knives. The size, shape, materials, and simplicity are everything I am looking for in a knife and it would be perfect except for one thing, the knife is made in Taiwan and is stamped right on the blade. I know this shouldn't matter if the quality is solid but when I see it stamped on the blade it makes me sick to my stomach to think that it is the only thing stopping me from buying it. So I am wondering if anyone else has this problem and if anyone can help me overcome my thoughts?

you're not alone. that's exactly how it is for me.

 

[00ChevyScott]

I work with American workers and trust me, as a workforce we're not all that hot. We got people calling in sick, sneaking outside for what amounts to DAYS per month to smoke, leaving early, and generally not giving a s##t what they're doing. If the Taiwanese people take pride in the products they're turning out and they are making an effort, then good on 'em. That's a heckuva better attitude than 90% of the "gimme" workforce over here is doing. Sheesh. This video game generation is capable of, well, playing video games. Reminds me of a machinist that was talking about Japanese, German, and American machine tools. He basically said to stay away from anything made over here. Lathes, drill presses, name it. He said if you had your heart set on American tooling, make sure it was from the 1950s or prior. Steer clear of anything modern.

A buddy of mine works in a factory environment. He said when the bell rings for morning break everyone goes on break (naturally). Then when the bell rings to go back to the floor, everyone heads for the bathroom. A whole extra 15 minutes is wasted because nobody pissed during the "official" break. Even if there was a few "honest" workers that hurried back to the floor, actual production couldn't take place because the majority of the workers are still in the locker room.

If the Asian folks are cranking out a quality product, then I'm not ashamed to buy it. The "made in" labeling is a farce anyhow, by and large. There's a lot of re-boxing that goes on and "made in USA" is stamped on a lot of stuff that's actually made elsewhere and finished here. So even the most anal of the "look for the union label" crowd can't really be sure of what they're buying.

I carry my Seki Spydies with glowing pride. Same thing with my Taiwan made Gayle Bradley. Same with my Golden made Military. All of them are quality products. Excellent bang for the buck.

I definitely agree there. Made in USA sure isn't what it used to be. There are so many lazy people in this country now.

 

[sodak]

I love Spyderco, I love the ergonomics, style, innovation, blades, so on and so forth. I have been looking for a strong EDC blade that will not make me think twice and I can have on my pocket for years which brought me to the Sage series of knives. The size, shape, materials, and simplicity are everything I am looking for in a knife and it would be perfect except for one thing, the knife is made in Taiwan and is stamped right on the blade. I know this shouldn't matter if the quality is solid but when I see it stamped on the blade it makes me sick to my stomach to think that it is the only thing stopping me from buying it. So I am wondering if anyone else has this problem and if anyone can help me overcome my thoughts?

No, sorry. I don't have this problem, and can't help you. I'm happy to buy knives from ANY country, as long as they are what I am looking for.

 

[hoopster]

I work with American workers and trust me, as a workforce we're not all that hot. We got people calling in sick, sneaking outside for what amounts to DAYS per month to smoke, leaving early, and generally not giving a s##t what they're doing. If the Taiwanese people take pride in the products they're turning out and they are making an effort, then good on 'em. That's a heckuva better attitude than 90% of the "gimme" workforce over here is doing. Sheesh. This video game generation is capable of, well, playing video games. Reminds me of a machinist that was talking about Japanese, German, and American machine tools. He basically said to stay away from anything made over here. Lathes, drill presses, name it. He said if you had your heart set on American tooling, make sure it was from the 1950s or prior. Steer clear of anything modern.

A buddy of mine works in a factory environment. He said when the bell rings for morning break everyone goes on break (naturally). Then when the bell rings to go back to the floor, everyone heads for the bathroom. A whole extra 15 minutes is wasted because nobody pissed during the "official" break. Even if there was a few "honest" workers that hurried back to the floor, actual production couldn't take place because the majority of the workers are still in the locker room.

If the Asian folks are cranking out a quality product, then I'm not ashamed to buy it. The "made in" labeling is a farce anyhow, by and large. There's a lot of re-boxing that goes on and "made in USA" is stamped on a lot of stuff that's actually made elsewhere and finished here. So even the most anal of the "look for the union label" crowd can't really be sure of what they're buying.

I carry my Seki Spydies with glowing pride. Same thing with my Taiwan made Gayle Bradley. Same with my Golden made Military. All of them are quality products. Excellent bang for the buck.

Without going into details, this is one of the best posts I've read in a long time. :thumbup: I'm as patriotic as they come but I'd rather support a person who takes pride in their work over a lazy worker any day.

 

[Tsujigiri]

I understand your general point, and agree that all contractors are equal. However, I have not seen any evidence that another contractor was involved. Can you provide a reference for that information?

Even if another contractor made the Cat and Chicago, Spyderco selected the contractor and is ultimately responsible for the production and quality, or lack thereof.

Let me give me comments some context here. Again, I started by noting the quality of the GB and Sage line. Spydero is a great company and my favorite knife manufacturer. I am simply offering up another point of view for the discussion of manufacturers.

Here Sal confirms that there are two different Taiwanese contractors producing Spydercos:
http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42634&highlight=taiwan+quality

 

[steelscout30]

I work with American workers and trust me, as a workforce we're not all that hot. We got people calling in sick, sneaking outside for what amounts to DAYS per month to smoke, leaving early, and generally not giving a s##t what they're doing. If the Taiwanese people take pride in the products they're turning out and they are making an effort, then good on 'em. That's a heckuva better attitude than 90% of the "gimme" workforce over here is doing. Sheesh. This video game generation is capable of, well, playing video games. Reminds me of a machinist that was talking about Japanese, German, and American machine tools. He basically said to stay away from anything made over here. Lathes, drill presses, name it. He said if you had your heart set on American tooling, make sure it was from the 1950s or prior. Steer clear of anything modern.

A buddy of mine works in a factory environment. He said when the bell rings for morning break everyone goes on break (naturally). Then when the bell rings to go back to the floor, everyone heads for the bathroom. A whole extra 15 minutes is wasted because nobody pissed during the "official" break. Even if there was a few "honest" workers that hurried back to the floor, actual production couldn't take place because the majority of the workers are still in the locker room.

If the Asian folks are cranking out a quality product, then I'm not ashamed to buy it. The "made in" labeling is a farce anyhow, by and large. There's a lot of re-boxing that goes on and "made in USA" is stamped on a lot of stuff that's actually made elsewhere and finished here. So even the most anal of the "look for the union label" crowd can't really be sure of what they're buying.

I carry my Seki Spydies with glowing pride. Same thing with my Taiwan made Gayle Bradley. Same with my Golden made Military. All of them are quality products. Excellent bang for the buck.

:thumbup:

 

[iacchus]

The Sage I brought me back to Spydercos after years of overlooking the line. The fit and finish on my example is flawless. It being made in Taiwan doe not bother me one bit, and I will pick up the Sage II at some point, as well.

 

[termiteslayer]

I work with American workers and trust me, as a workforce we're not all that hot. We got people calling in sick, sneaking outside for what amounts to DAYS per month to smoke, leaving early, and generally not giving a s##t what they're doing. If the Taiwanese people take pride in the products they're turning out and they are making an effort, then good on 'em. That's a heckuva better attitude than 90% of the "gimme" workforce over here is doing. Sheesh. This video game generation is capable of, well, playing video games. Reminds me of a machinist that was talking about Japanese, German, and American machine tools. He basically said to stay away from anything made over here. Lathes, drill presses, name it. He said if you had your heart set on American tooling, make sure it was from the 1950s or prior. Steer clear of anything modern.

A buddy of mine works in a factory environment. He said when the bell rings for morning break everyone goes on break (naturally). Then when the bell rings to go back to the floor, everyone heads for the bathroom. A whole extra 15 minutes is wasted because nobody pissed during the "official" break. Even if there was a few "honest" workers that hurried back to the floor, actual production couldn't take place because the majority of the workers are still in the locker room.

If the Asian folks are cranking out a quality product, then I'm not ashamed to buy it. The "made in" labeling is a farce anyhow, by and large. There's a lot of re-boxing that goes on and "made in USA" is stamped on a lot of stuff that's actually made elsewhere and finished here. So even the most anal of the "look for the union label" crowd can't really be sure of what they're buying.

I carry my Seki Spydies with glowing pride. Same thing with my Taiwan made Gayle Bradley. Same with my Golden made Military. All of them are quality products. Excellent bang for the buck.

Gotta agree with this man. :thumbup:
To put it bluntly, on the waterfront of So. Cal. we Americans are not an impressive lot.
The knowledge the Euro's bring there is what keeps it on the yachting world map.
I apprenticed under a Swede that was a boatbuilder by the age of 12.
Everybody hates his freakin' guts, but his product is professional in every way. He will not be the guy that produces crap. There is simply no local American competition for this man or a few other Euro's and Asians that actually have paid some relevant dues.
My only claim to fame is that this Swede said I was too picky. That's it. No other life accomplishment is worth mentioning after this event.
The 'furriners' clearly have a superior knowledge base (rule of thumb).
Well... if we keep teaching our kids that smart people are actually really, really stupid it doesn't take a brainiac to see what'll come of it.

 

[neuron]

As long as the quality is there, I don't care where a knife is made. And the quality of the Taiwan-made Spydercos is superb.

 

[neuron]

I work with American workers and trust me, as a workforce we're not all that hot. We got people calling in sick, sneaking outside for what amounts to DAYS per month to smoke, leaving early, and generally not giving a s##t what they're doing. If the Taiwanese people take pride in the products they're turning out and they are making an effort, then good on 'em. That's a heckuva better attitude than 90% of the "gimme" workforce over here is doing. Sheesh. This video game generation is capable of, well, playing video games. Reminds me of a machinist that was talking about Japanese, German, and American machine tools. He basically said to stay away from anything made over here. Lathes, drill presses, name it. He said if you had your heart set on American tooling, make sure it was from the 1950s or prior. Steer clear of anything modern.

A buddy of mine works in a factory environment. He said when the bell rings for morning break everyone goes on break (naturally). Then when the bell rings to go back to the floor, everyone heads for the bathroom. A whole extra 15 minutes is wasted because nobody pissed during the "official" break. Even if there was a few "honest" workers that hurried back to the floor, actual production couldn't take place because the majority of the workers are still in the locker room.

If the Asian folks are cranking out a quality product, then I'm not ashamed to buy it. The "made in" labeling is a farce anyhow, by and large. There's a lot of re-boxing that goes on and "made in USA" is stamped on a lot of stuff that's actually made elsewhere and finished here. So even the most anal of the "look for the union label" crowd can't really be sure of what they're buying.

I carry my Seki Spydies with glowing pride. Same thing with my Taiwan made Gayle Bradley. Same with my Golden made Military. All of them are quality products. Excellent bang for the buck.

Also, another big :thumbup: to this.

 

[termiteslayer]

And another thing...

Reminds me of a machinist that was talking about Japanese, German, and American machine tools. He basically said to stay away from anything made over here. Lathes, drill presses, name it. He said if you had your heart set on American tooling, make sure it was from the 1950s or prior. Steer clear of anything modern.

I collect woodworking tools.
In today's woodworking world I'd take an antique set of tools over today's crap without a doubt.
We gotta step up to the plate.

 

[Handwrecker]

I guess the OP needs to ask himself, "Would Gold Dust feel sick to his stomach for carrying a product of Taiwan?" and that should settle it.

 

[Liveitloud]

I work with American workers and trust me, as a workforce we're not all that hot. We got people calling in sick, sneaking outside for what amounts to DAYS per month to smoke, leaving early, and generally not giving a s##t what they're doing. If the Taiwanese people take pride in the products they're turning out and they are making an effort, then good on 'em. That's a heckuva better attitude than 90% of the "gimme" workforce over here is doing. Sheesh. This video game generation is capable of, well, playing video games. Reminds me of a machinist that was talking about Japanese, German, and American machine tools. He basically said to stay away from anything made over here. Lathes, drill presses, name it. He said if you had your heart set on American tooling, make sure it was from the 1950s or prior. Steer clear of anything modern.

A buddy of mine works in a factory environment. He said when the bell rings for morning break everyone goes on break (naturally). Then when the bell rings to go back to the floor, everyone heads for the bathroom. A whole extra 15 minutes is wasted because nobody pissed during the "official" break. Even if there was a few "honest" workers that hurried back to the floor, actual production couldn't take place because the majority of the workers are still in the locker room.

If the Asian folks are cranking out a quality product, then I'm not ashamed to buy it. The "made in" labeling is a farce anyhow, by and large. There's a lot of re-boxing that goes on and "made in USA" is stamped on a lot of stuff that's actually made elsewhere and finished here. So even the most anal of the "look for the union label" crowd can't really be sure of what they're buying.

I carry my Seki Spydies with glowing pride. Same thing with my Taiwan made Gayle Bradley. Same with my Golden made Military. All of them are quality products. Excellent bang for the buck.

Derail:

There is so much truth in this post that I don't know where to start. I supervise a group of 15 folks in a medical research environment. I am always having to deal with disciplinary issue's due to:

Unavailability to work
Late to work
Early to break
Late back from break
substandard work and just all around neglect of duty.

One day one of the doctors came in my office and wanted to show me a mistake made by one of my employees. I got up and went to look and sure enough he was right. The doctor demanded that the employee be fired on the spot. I just scratched my head and looked at him. I let him know that this is a state run facility and there has to be HR involvement, progressive disciplinary action and people cannot be just fired per his request.

He let me know quickly that if this mistake had been made in his country (Japan) that he would be fired immediately, no questions asked. He said that my employee brought shame to his position and in his country that was grounds for immediate removal.

I felt bad for the guy but told him that if that were the case here I would be running the facility alone.

Sorry for the derail. Harry's comment just reminded me of that story.