Appeals Court Panel Upholds NYC's Unconstitutional Gravity Knife Arrests – KR to Seek Review

AJR576 said:
I find it ironic that people like you preach "tolerance" and acceptance right up until someone has an opinion that differs. Then it's time to shut them down by any means possible.
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That's not irony, nor is it even a correct interpretation of events.

You got calling out for using insulting language, which is not supposed to be used in the general discussion area. There was no attempt being made to suppress your ability to share your opinion, only that you can do it without throwing insults around. Unless you are incapable of expressing your opinion without using such insults, then there is no suppression going on.
 
KingMC said:
That's not irony, nor is it even a correct interpretation of events.

You got calling out for using insulting language, which is not supposed to be used in the general discussion area. There was no attempt being made to suppress your ability to share your opinion, only that you can do it without throwing insults around. Unless you are incapable of expressing your opinion without using such insults, then there is no suppression going on.
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It was not my intent to insult anyone. Just expressing my frustration with these meaningless/do nothing laws that infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens while doing nothing to reduce crime.

While both parties are guilty, it seems (to me) that most of these nonsensical/restrictive laws that focus on the object and not the action come from Democrats.

Regardless, (Democrat or Republican) there's a reason for what they're doing and I'm assuming that 1. It's too much effort for them to take on / address the real issues so it's easier to pass laws that simply demonize an object and 2. It's not what they're voting base is demanding or they would feel the pressure to do so.

Not sure how we can discuss laws without examining the politics behind them?
 
AJR576 said:
It was not my intent to insult anyone.
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Well, the problem is you did, pretty obviously...

AJR576 said:
They (especially liberals) have no desire to address the real problems (gangs, drugs, violent crime, etc.). That's too hard and much of their voting base won't like the results since many of their friends and family would wind up in jail.

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...and the mindless sheep just smile, clap, and re-elect them... :(
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...and when called out as doing just that, you just assumed that you were being suppressed for simply voicing your opinion and took it way off base. Instead of admitting you screwed up, you just decided to lash out as if you were a victim of oppression.
 
KingMC said:
Well, the problem is you did, pretty obviously...



...and when called out as doing just that, you just assumed that you were being suppressed for simply voicing your opinion and took it way off base. Instead of admitting you screwed up, you just decided to lash out as if you were a victim of oppression.
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Called out for what? Stating my opinion? If you don't agree, then that's your opinion...see how that works? Again, my intent was not to insult or derail... just an observation...and based on the people that are "liking" my post, there are plenty that agree with my statement as well.
 
What Doug is doing is important. This bickering is and will go no where. It taints Doug's thread.

Like it or not, a certain political party that runs New York is responsible for the foolishness Doug is trying to make right.

Beyond that, it is what it is.
 
AJR576 said:
Called out for what? Stating my opinion? If you don't agree, then that's your opinion...see how that works? Again, my intent was not to insult or derail... just an observation...and based on the people that are "liking" my post, there are plenty that agree with my statement as well.
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You called a group of people mindless sheep and expressed the idea that their family members were criminals, that may be your opinion but it's also clearly meant to be insulting. When someone pointed out that you were insulting people, you cried oppression.

'I'm only stating my opinion' is not an excuse to break forum rules, which is what you were doing when you started insulting people. Telling you you're breaking forum rules is not suppressing your opinions, you agreed to abide by them when you signed up.
 
KingMC said:
You called a group of people mindless sheep and expressed the idea that their family members were criminals, that may be your opinion but it's also clearly meant to be insulting. When someone pointed out that you were insulting people, you cried oppression.

'I'm only stating my opinion' is not an excuse to break forum rules, which is what you were doing when you started insulting people. Telling you you're breaking forum rules is not suppressing your opinions, you agreed to abide by them when you signed up.
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I was referring to the "mindless sheep" that blindly vote for politicians that are more concerned with the appearance of action versus actually helping the people that they're supposed to represent.

And yes, I am sorry, not all criminals are Democrats :D
 
AJR576 said:
I was referring to the "mindless sheep" that blindly vote for politicians that are more concerned with the appearance of action versus actually helping the people that they're supposed to represent.

And yes, I am sorry, not all criminals are Democrats :D
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Politics aren't allowed in GKD either, take that to the political arena.
 
KingMC said:
Politics aren't allowed in GKD either, take that to the political arena.
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Ok, but we're discussing a law that was created by...politicians...;)

Lesson learned...next time, I'll just say "That sucks!"
 
AJR576 said:
Ok, but we're discussing a law that was created by...politicians...;)

Lesson learned...next time, I'll just say "That sucks!"
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Exactly, that is the whole point of this thread. It’s an awareness thread, not a discussion thread.
 
KingMC said:
Exactly, that is the whole point of this thread. It’s an awareness thread, not a discussion thread.
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I'm inclined to disagree, it is an awareness thread but it is also posted in a discussion area and NOT locked. If simply an alert, spark would mandate these threads be locked from the start.

Saying these threads are only open to one liners like "it sucks" is incorrect.
 
That said, drifting to political bashing is obviously against the rules.
 
In the end though the politics can't be discussed no matter who you believe is at fault.

Knife laws like lots of laws have many years of at-hoc so they become confusing and no longer serve their intended purpose. IMHO the money and time is better spent changing the law rather than pursuing the cout case.
 
I do apologize for that. I may be a bit oversensitive and passionate on this topic since I currently live in a state that also believes in a bunch of over restrictive / meaningless laws that's also run by mostly...
 
I've spent all 29 of my years in NYC, Bay Ridge Brooklyn, specifically, and these knife laws have always mystified me. I call it Screen Door Legislation - the only people who are really affected by these laws are the people who pay attention to laws in the first place. People looking to use a "weapon" to do harm don't care about laws in the first place, much like how you can bust through a screen door if so inclined but if you respect other people and their property, you won't.

I've had my head bashed in with a baseball bat, I've had (surely) an unregistered handgun pulled on me, no amount of laws will stop inner city crime and it's disingenuous to assert otherwise. But I have a GIN-1 UKPK with a weak spring so I have to worry about getting collared? C'mon man... Unfortunately, as others have said, not surprising.
 
shinyedges said:
I'm inclined to disagree, it is an awareness thread but it is also posted in a discussion area and NOT locked. If simply an alert, spark would mandate these threads be locked from the start.

Saying these threads are only open to one liners like "it sucks" is incorrect.
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I have always assumed, since Doug has had to get permission from Spark to post these threads in GKD, that the only reason they've been posted in GKD (and not somewhere more relevant like the Knife Laws subforum) is because of the exposure; GKD is easily the most-viewed subforum here and thus is the best place to post for the most views.

Otherwise, it makes no sense to post a politically-involved thread like this and expect it to stay apolitical, and since the discussion that was started is not really about knives but about legislation it seems the only reason it would ever be posted here is the exposure (which I'm fully ok with, I'm in favor of what KR is doing). The issue is always the political discussion that follows, and often the insults that go with said politics.
 
KingMC said:
I have always assumed, since Doug has had to get permission from Spark to post these threads in GKD, that the only reason they've been posted in GKD (and not somewhere more relevant like the Knife Laws subforum) is because of the exposure; GKD is easily the most-viewed subforum here and thus is the best place to post for the most views.

Otherwise, it makes no sense to post a politically-involved thread like this and expect it to stay apolitical, and since the discussion that was started it not really about knives but about legislation it seems the only reason it would ever be posted here is the exposure (which I'm fully ok with, I'm in favor of what KR is doing). The issue is always the political discussion that follows, and often the insults that go with said politics.
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I agree it is posted here for maximum exposure. The part I disagree with, is this is strictly an alert. If it was then Doug would post these threads and have them locked so no one could post in them. As you know, the report button works just fine, when the mods feel something has crossed the lines or is no longer productive they are not shy about letting it be known.

If someone crosses a line, report them and if a mod disciplines them or takes action/inaction the answer is given.
 
And I'll simply state that it's every person's responsibility to understand where / by whom these laws originate so we can effect change with our most powerful method...our vote. Without doing so is disservice to all.
 
This is complete and utter BS.

Yes, I'm a born and raised New Yorker (and no, I wouldn't consider living anywhere else in this great country of ours) but it's time to let these draconian knife laws go the way of the dodo bird. They were established back in the 50s to combat gang violence and were deliberately made to be as nebulous as possible to give the cops wide latitude when it came to arresting suspected gang members. (BTW, back then the "gangs" were more akin to "West Side Story" than "Colors", but that's another issue...)

Anyway, here we are in 2018 and god forbid I get caught with one of my CRKs, Spydercos, or any of my customs – save for my Anso Monte Carlo or Filip de Coene Minimum or Case/GEC slip joints, all of which are non-locking. Yup, I'll be calling my wife from a payphone in the "Tombs" waiting to make bail.

And here I was hoping for a dose of realism from the courts... Silly me.

Regards,
Adam
 
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