Are the flippers / scalpers going to ruin the the fun?

In short "No."

I don't go chasing the latest fad so I am not a target market. I don't have to have the latest and greatest and I can afford to be patient. Even if what I want is in high demand now will be still be that way in a year? In five? In ten? Unlikely.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DMG
We're living in the golden age of knives. If the latest <insert knife name> with limited edition <insert handle material> in a stunning shade of sparkly <insert color> with a special blade in <insert esoteric steel> escapes you, move on. Knives are like buses. There's always another one coming and they all have a smelly dude in the back seat mumbling to a plastic dinosaur.

There are so many choices of great knives in a broad price range currently available, if you miss out on one, find something else to love and fondle. I can't think of a single production knife that I'm willing to lose sleep over.

Except, of course, the Pro Tech Malibu...

Oh, yeah...and the TRM Newtron...

Of course there's the BladeForums 2021 forum knife...

Or that new GEC <insert random 2-digit number> that sold out in a nanosecond...

And that PJ 21 I never bothered picking up...

But seriously, I can walk away from any knife! I just can't promise I won't be looking back with a tear in my eye :p
 
MAP pricing or less if your trying to sell on Bladeforums would keep those scalpers out of here at least
 
Wouldn't an easier road to a super low-volume knife lead to one of the many skilled custom knife makers we have available right here? Or is part of the draw in the name brand?
 
Wouldn't an easier road to a super low-volume knife lead to one of the many skilled custom knife makers we have available right here? Or is part of the draw in the name brand?

It depends.

Most reputable custom makers will not clone a knife closely associated with a particular brand. It just depends how similarly it might be made (in generic fashion) without infringing...or obtaining the company's blessing, even if not absolutely required.
 
... because it is very tough and time consuming to keep pace with all the sprint runs...
I somewhat agree with you, it has put a serious dent into my enjoyment of the hobby. I chased a lot of sprints and exclusives because I'm a user and I wanted to buy knives that I thought would work better. I managed to get a few, and I missed a lot, but Spyderco in particular has made a lot of different ones and I did manage to get more than I could use. I've had to sell off a few to keep my collection manageable. I'm not a flipper or a scalper, and I didn't buy at inflated prices. I bought a few knives as extras but normally I just bought the ones that I wanted to use. Now I've decided that I have more than I need.
Back to the original question- chasing unobtanium knives, spending time trying to make websites work when they were severely slammed, wishing there were more knives available, cursing flippers that bought the knives just to sell for profit, etc. But I stayed in the hobby and still enjoy it.
 
Yea, that G.D. capitalism! People spending money based on their predictions of future supply and demand, with the intention of a profit. Abhorrent! There should be a better system..... one where everyone gets the SAME knives and nobody gets something that someone else can't have. Can y'all think of a system like that? :D
 
It depends.

Most reputable custom makers will not clone a knife closely associated with a particular brand. It just depends how similarly it might be made (in generic fashion) without infringing...or obtaining the company's blessing, even if not absolutely required.

Sorry, I wasn't talking about having someone copy a design. I thought the idea was to have something somewhat unique. Having a craftsman copy a production knife (even a special edition) would defeat the purpose.
 
There are few knives that I will chase, but I keep on looking for one on the Exchange if I really want it.
That being said, a very few knives have brought astronomical prices on the used market,
and even a much smaller number of these are actually "outstanding" knives that are worth inflated prices.
Of course, I own one...the Spyderco Slysz Bowie....it's such a great knife that I know of none that can compete with it...
I would sell it, but then, I'd be faced with the problem for finding another to buy...which I would do if one popped up at a reasonable price...
NOT ALL KNIFE MODELS HAVE A CLOSELY-RELATED COUSIN THAT IS CHEAPER AND MORE EASILY LOCATED.
 
Last edited:
No - flippers do not ruin my fun of knives. But they do affect my interest in chasing/buying knives of limited runs, not because they flip those knives (I don't care how high their asking prices are as I'll never buy from them :D) but because they made it extremely difficult for me to buy the knives from dealers. I have since learned to enjoy the knives I already have and those that are easy to get.
 
It depends.

Most reputable custom makers will not clone a knife closely associated with a particular brand. It just depends how similarly it might be made (in generic fashion) without infringing...or obtaining the company's blessing, even if not absolutely required.

I think that the he previous poster was suggesting that if someone wants a truly low volume knife the best route would be to have a custom one made. Not a copy of a particular brand. He's right of course but as Bernard Levine has mentioned more than once truly rare items are often not valuable because there is no market for only one of something.
 
Sorry, I wasn't talking about having someone copy a design. I thought the idea was to have something somewhat unique. Having a craftsman copy a production knife (even a special edition) would defeat the purpose.
Oops I see you had already spoken up for yourself!
 
It's a self-amplifying loop, and not likely to change:
  • the maker (via limited sprint runs), and the distributor (via limited exclusives) both benefit from the hype/marketing created. As long as their manufacturing pipelines and waiting lists are full, they don't loose money.
  • obviously, part of the hobby for some is the excitement when waiting for sprint or exclusive, and succeeding in buying it. It's an addiction (same as gambling).
I'm confident that much of the flipping is people having bought a knife, getting bored fast, selling it within a few days, and going off to the next challenge. Not really people buying the knife to rip you off and make a living of it. Think about it:
  • say, somebody bought the z-wear Shaman for ~$200, and "flips" it a few days later for ~$300.
  • The waiting and purchase, the selling, shipping, etc., in terms of working time (if it was me) is certainly worth more than the $100 difference.
That being said, if you really want a knife, say the Shaman with original price of ~200, and now you can get it for ~300, on ebay, "flipped" on the BF exchange, or in some stores, I suggest to buy it - your time is worth just as much or more than the "flipper's" time. Welcome to capitalism, where other buyers determine price. Note that significant up-pricing is frequent here on the exchange, it's basically common practice. Just search for Demko AD-20. I've never sold a knife, but if I would, I'd also sell it for the current market value, maybe minus a discount for BF and selling convenience.

In a nutshell, it is what it is, part of the hobby. Not interesting to me, just like some knives are not, which other people love. But it's part this community's large umbrella.

Say you like cars, you love a good sports or classic muscle car. But not all cars are interesting: Prius Hybrids are definitely boring, you don't understand them, they annoy you on the freeway when they cut you off. I know of fanatic Prius owner clubs. And of course it's not my thing, but they exist. Do I care ? No.

Roland.
 
Last edited:
In all seriousness, this is the reason there is a particular knife maker I no longer buy from. It really sucks because he/they make AMAZING products. Their business model had always been the same - advertise an upcoming offering, get us worked up, sell them all, then watch them appreciate on the secondary market. I knew the game and I was fine with it. UNTIL, he kept listing how few of a particular model were left (creating "urgency" as we were taught in sales). That didn't bother me. Not wanting to miss out, I purchased the (expensive) product in a color choice that was actually my 2nd choice but the among the only remaining options. I got mine. I was happy...... almost as happy as I would have been had I gotten the color I actually wanted. He announced "sold out" and I was relieved that I had managed to get mine before being at the mercy of the "flippers". All was well........ then, he announced he planned on doing another run and, once again, all color choices were available. That bothers me more than flippers grabbing sprint runs - someone implying that it IS a sprint run then deciding to do it again. I am not going to mention who that was but I have NEVER bought anything else from them since and will not (not even on the secondary market). If you're psychic and know who I am talking about, please understand - my refusal to purchase their products is SOLELY over that one move and NOT a reflection of their skill as a producer. The one and only product I have from them I will own until I die as it is among the nicest I have. They are very impressive at making cutlery, I just considered that foul move.
 
Who i
When it comes to sprints, I subscribed to RamZar to stay in the loop and when I see something I want, I just email a local salesman and he creates a pre-order for me. After that I just wait. Nothing to do, nothing to stress about.
Exclusives are different in this way, and if I miss out, that is fine. I have plenty of good stuff already.
Who is RamZar? I googled him but didn’t see much
 
I have found that, due to the prices some of these "collectables" are commanding, that I've gone back to custom knives. The prices are comparable but I determine what I want vs. taking what I can get.
 
Back
Top