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What makes a knife pleasing to the eye? I mean regardless of the genre you prefer or the level of the knifemaker. I see some knives that are really well made but there is just something that doesn't click. And of course the opposite is true, average knives where something in your mind goes "Yeah Baby".
Its not something tangible, just a feeling inside.

Or maybe I am just a little deranged.;)

Pad
 
Beyond the obvious fit and finish of a knife I would say the biggest factors, for me anyway, are the proportions and the curves.

If the proportions are off the knife just seems "off" to me. A handle too large for the blade. Blade too large for the handle. Guard too large or small.

If there are no curves it just doesn't work for me. Somewhere I heard that there are no straight lines in nature. Maybe that is why straight lines on a knife seem a bit out of place. Of course there will always be SOME straight lines in knives but overall I like curves.

Just my opinions of course.
SDS
 
I find there are those knives which are really funky looking and shiny, but the ones that look good to the eye, for me, are the ones that are designed and built with the passion and skill of the early blacksmiths of long ago. Raymond Richard's knives are a good example. Pure simplicity, authenticity, forged with passion, skill, and emulating the beauty of age. There are many others, but his work stands out. When you put too many "extras" into a knife, I find it detracts away from it. Sometimes less is more. Being able to put it all together to make something so simple yet so beautiful is the mark of a true artisan. But that's just my opinion.
 
It's ok folks, that's what we want here, opinions.

And I agree that this is something that trnscand "bells and whistles" on a knife. Achieving this through simplicity is the sumumm of the knifemaking art.

Thanks for your input.

Pad
 
1) Good silhouette. Exact proportions need to follow function, but the lines from the blade and handle need to flow together.

2) Fair curves whenever possible. These are those natural curves that just look subconsciously "right", because we're accustomed to seeing them in nature. Basically, you should be able to match any curve on the knife by bending a strip of springy metal between three fingers. Four if it's a recurve.

3) Let the materials speak for themselves. Filework on damascus or mosaic pins through highly figured wood are overkill. If you've got good materials, get out of their way.
 
proportion

symmetry
(the golden ratio seems to apply, although i'm sure no art student)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio


well matched materials - colour coordination

fit and finish - i always seem to bypass a shiny buffed appearance, especially if the sharp grind lines are missing or buffed out.

simplicity - knowing when to stop
 
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for me i think that if everything just flows together...is visually balanced either symetrically or asymetrically, that's when it looks right.

i like the simpler knives, the real workhorse tools. i don't mind using a pretty knife, as long as it is built to be used. normally knives that are built by those that use their knives are well proportioned and well thought out, creating very functional and (to my eye) beautiful pieces.

in general i like a really smooth, crisp line. i like sexy looking curves as long as they are sensible. some of my favorite knives to look at are Ray Laconico's and Phil Patton's. neither would really fall under the "art knife" category, but i think they are beautiful. both maker's make their knives to be used, and i think that shows through.
 
As a graphic artist I find some of the things I learned in my design foundations classes in college translate beyond just graphic design. Things like flow, contrast, repetition, alignment, positive and negative space relationships all contribute to the success or failure of the design. Designs that use these things well seem to be more successful.

The main thing though is that the knife functions, the aesthetics are secondary. Designs that are a wonderful conglomeration of form and function are what appeal to me.
 
Proportions, matching up you materials. Flow. Uniformity, Fit and finish. a look my hand wants to grab. Some guys do it with simple materials and designs that just flow and basic appeal others dazzle you with damascus patterns, file work, beautiful scales. They are all good in their own way. If it don't fit and it don't flow or match it don't matte what you use. Its like a fresh faced farm girl in a pair of cut off levis and a plaid shirt tied around her middle and a sex siren in a tight plunging ballroom gown with jewels. I like em both. A LOT.
 
Yep, proportion.
As well, no one component overpowering the remainder of the components. An equal visual "importance" of all the parts.
 
Its like a fresh faced farm girl in a pair of cut off levis and a plaid shirt tied around her middle and a sex siren in a tight plunging ballroom gown with jewels. I like em both. A LOT.

The eternal Ginger vs. Mary Anne debate :)
 
Yep, proportion.
As well, no one component overpowering the remainder of the components. An equal visual "importance" of all the parts.

Well said. Every thing has got to balance out. Like colors, shades, and textures.

By the way with me it is not farm girl verses glamor queen. I love them all and would give them both my best award.:D
 
huh... I'd wrap the award up well.

LMAO!!!

Now It's already been stressed, but PROPORTION, PROPORTION, PROPORTION. The golden ratio is a good baseline. Fact be, you may have to make deviations from your 2D drawing as the blade comes to life because in "real-time" the look just wasn't quite right. This (to me is proportion) not being a real artist that's about as technical as I can get.
 
Excellent thread, these are always a good time. My first thought was "golden ratio" so thanks Steven for getting that out there. It's one of those rare things that can provide a way of objectively measuring subjective beauty. I mean, almost always when you find a knife or painting or anything else that trips your esthetic trigger, you will find the golden ratio at work. It's amazing.

That being said, there's a lot of room for good taste too. Balancing materials, the actual balance of a knife, how the handle flows into the blade - all matter.

Big opinion here, but I think every hand made knife should perform noticeably better than its production counterparts - else why buy a hand made knife? If some $35 Buck works better than my $250 piece o' pretty, I'm not doing anyone any good regardless how nice my knife might look. So function first.

For beautiful knives that work, see "Raymond Richard." Just typing his name made my heart beat a little faster. I don't think there's anyone alive that makes knives as sleek and beautiful and functional as Ray does. 'Course, that's just another opinion! ;)
 
I want to second what Steven said.
I couldn't of said it Better!!!!

"symmetry
(the golden ratio seems to apply, although i'm sure no art student)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio


well matched materials - colour coordination

fit and finish - i always seem to bypass a shiny buffed appearance, especially if the sharp grind lines are missing or buffed out.

simplicity - knowing when to stop"
 
Hi Friends,

The question was, "What makes a knife pleasing to the eye?" Yes indeed, balance of parts and proportion, as well as color and texture, flow of line and curve, quality of fit and finish (or craftsmanship) are all important visually.

Some answers have reached out to other senses. For instance, the "sense" of functionality and concept, if you will. This is where the shape, size, geometry and composition of the blade, handle and hardware specifically come into play. Durability does too I suppose. Then there is originality and familiarity. Is the design a good old tried and true friend? Is it an interpretation of such? Is it new and refreshing and begging to be put to the test? I guess safety is also an issue in this realm. It certainly is a part of functionality anyway. Whether we think about it consciously or not, I'm sure it comes into play in what we "sense" as a good knife.

Of course, the sense of touch is very important too. How it fits and feels in the hand is, perhaps, even more important than how it looks to the eye. It's interesting to note, that that which feels good in the hand usually looks good to the eye anyway. I suppose, how it feels and fits also applies to the belt, pocket, pack or bag too.

I bet sound and smell come into play too. I find myself semi-consciously listening for the sounds of a folder closing and opening. I listen, too, to the sounds of a sheath knife nesting home and being drawn. I remember loving the smell of cleaning hunting guns and catch myself sometimes tripping down memory lane when I get a bit of a whiff of leather and oil or wax when handling knives.

Oh well, here's my two cents anyway. Thanks for stimulating some cogitation.

All the best, Phil
 
For me the balance of elements' distribution comes first, ie. the handle length vs. Blade length has to be balanced, if not it wont have WOW effect after all. Maybe unconsciously we all look for golden ratio as suggested. This affects also the weight balance of the knife, when you hold the knife you notice even a tiny unbalance. Also functionality and durability is a factor together with the material selection and HT specs.

But when I think of what is the main difference between production knife and a handmade knife, the first thing that strikes me the effort spent on a piece of steel to make it into a unique knife. Even under the worst example of custom knife, a huge effort and passion lies....
 
For me it seems that you can't have the kitchen without the sink. Every aspect of form function, fit, and appearance need to be their to make a really good knife. Appearance doesn't mean it needs to be mirror polished to be nice, but even a rough forge finished blade such as MLKnives uses can "sing" when the knife is perfectly designed to suit it. A knife should be put together taking all aspects into consideration. When a certain knife doesn't "sing" to me, that means that their is something missing.
 
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