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You're both right, but right now it's the principal of the matter more than anything. This isnt proper buyer etiquette on any level, and self admittedly I could have handled it a little better too. He never even asked for a refund, just flat out left negative feedback and left it at that. Didn't bicker or argue, just thought it was okay to trash a well known sellers trading record. That pushed my buttons. I am not a retail store, so the popular bs phrase "the buyer is always right" does not apply. People like this should not be allowed on the buy and sell forum, and if I need to make a big stink about this particular person to warn others, than that's what I'll do. I feel like I'd be doing a disservice sliding this under the rug just to protect myself.
May I also add, he has blocked people from viewing his profile. So he has barely posted on the forums, this is his first feedback as a BUYER, and no one can view his profile, and everyone else knows the rest of the story. Quite a bit of fishy business.
Hey guys, just wanted to chime in to help diffuse the situation since it seems to have gotten out of hand.
From the start, I just wanted to let OP know that the knife was extremely difficult to open, practically making it a traditional where you would have to open it with two hands. No levels of adjustment would make it acceptable for a knife of this price point, especially where you would expect highly acceptable levels of quality like similar knives in this price range.
OP's solution was to belittle me and his resolution was to sell the knife to another user if I didn't like it. Obviously I don't want another member to have the same problem as I did.
I don't see what is the point of a feedback system if I can't leave the feedback I think the seller/buy deserves. I left them negative feedback, they left me negative feedback since overall it was a bad transaction and experience for both of us. That's that.
Just because I don't live and breathe for feedback doesn't mean I haven't dealt with others on BladeForums. If OP wants, I could bring up a list of members here that I have dealt with.
At this point in time, I'm not sure of what I'll do with the knife but I'll keep you guys/gals updated on the situation.
My intentions were never to insult OP but apparently having the claim of the knife not being as described was enough for them to throw words at me. Here's the most recent message from them.
https://i.imgur.com/Sn2tWPa.png
From the start, I just wanted to let OP know that the knife was extremely difficult to open, practically making it a traditional where you would have to open it with two hands. No levels of adjustment would make it acceptable for a knife of this price point, especially where you would expect highly acceptable levels of quality like similar knives in this price range.
OP's solution was to belittle me and his resolution was to sell the knife to another user if I didn't like it. Obviously I don't want another member to have the same problem as I did.
I don't see what is the point of a feedback system if I can't leave the feedback I think the seller/buy deserves. I left them negative feedback, they left me negative feedback since overall it was a bad transaction and experience for both of us. That's that.
Just because I don't live and breathe for feedback doesn't mean I haven't dealt with others on BladeForums. If OP wants, I could bring up a list of members here that I have dealt with.
At this point in time, I'm not sure of what I'll do with the knife but I'll keep you guys/gals updated on the situation.
My intentions were never to insult OP but apparently having the claim of the knife not being as described was enough for them to throw words at me. Here's the most recent message from them.
https://i.imgur.com/Sn2tWPa.png
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Some of the comments here imply the seller should have accepted a return if the buyer didn't mess with the knife. Is that an obligation? If I sell a knife with an accurate description, and the buyer just subjectively doesn't like it, I wouldn't be happy about a request for a return. These are private sales...I'm not running a store with a bunch of time to coordinate the return and then resell. Maybe I'm in the wrong here?
I also personally wouldn't be too worried about doing business with a user who has 1 negative review and lots of positive feedback.
I also personally wouldn't be too worried about doing business with a user who has 1 negative review and lots of positive feedback.
And let me chime in again. He complains that I sold him a defective knife, has zero issue trashing my feedback reputation with his negative score, but he isnt pushing for a refund at all. This guy makes zero sense to me. If the knife is defective why is he questioning what he will do with it? It all sounds like complete bs and like he wanted to somehow get something extra out of this. Unbelievable.
There is no obligatory way of dealing with these types of situations, and nobody likes the extra trouble of a return purchase.
If a private resolution isn’t made between buyer and seller, then the results are: PayPal intervention,
a lengthy GBU thread, and negative feedback.
Some of us may choose to control the situation through compromise and understanding, while others may take a stand, and argue about it.
There is no ultimate high moral ground here, and people choose many paths. I like to fly under the radar, so for me the private resolution works best.
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I’m sure the retaliatory negative feedback will go a long way to fixing the problem.
I think the op needs to take a moment to calm down, perhaps communicate with a mod, and or perhaps the buyer and sort this out offline before the feedback and this thread makes others think twice before dealing with either of them. Unless that does not matter to him.
I think the op needs to take a moment to calm down, perhaps communicate with a mod, and or perhaps the buyer and sort this out offline before the feedback and this thread makes others think twice before dealing with either of them. Unless that does not matter to him.
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Some good advice being given here. I often see these types of threads turning on the OPs and good examples of what not to do.
Just got home from work so I really haven't had time to look at this in detail, I do want to comment on a couple of posts though.
Nothing fishy about any of this, quite a few members fit this profile.
That is the point of the feedback system, you did nothing wrong in that regard.
How, just how? Nothing is making this guy happy. He said he wants me to make it "right", but he hasn't responded to me in over 5 hours, even though he has posted here, and he doesn't seem to want a refund and send the knife back to me. There isn't any other way to make it "right", and there was nothing wrong to begin with. It looks more or less like he just wanted to cause trouble and potentially coax me into a partial refund while he gets to keep the knife or something else that I cannot even fathom. I've gone the route of what everyone has said and offered a refund if he would pay to send it back, and then upon inspection of the knife, give him a refund, but he refuses to comment on that.
It sounds like he's done with the transaction and is satisfied with the final results, so as much as you'd like to make it right on your part he seems to think it's been settled. Sorry that you're stuck with the negative feedback but that's a problem with the buyer, not the feedback system. Sometimes you do everything you can to 'make it right', but if the other side isn't willing to capitulate then you're just out of luck and ultimately you'll just have to move on.
Beyond unfortunate. To me, it seems like he doesn't want to send it back so that I can't prove my point about this entire situation. He has no problem claiming that I sent a defective knife, but won't attempt to prove it, and won't send it back so I can prove my innocence. An attempt to safe guard his own image?
Ultimately, this thread and the feedback rating he has from this will affect him, probably quite a bit more than it'll affect you. I see plenty of good sellers in the exchange with large quantities of transactions and overwhelmingly positive feedback save for 1 bad deal with a bad member; I don't think it really affects most people over a certain number of feedback or an already established reputation. Any member who wouldn't deal with you solely based on the 1 negative feedback is probably not the kind of buyer/seller you'd want to deal with anyway.
How, just how what... Did you really think he was going to be happy after some of your posts and would be willing to come to some type of agreement.
In the majority of your posts in this thread and messages, you have either insulted him or insinuated that he's some type of scammer... first feedback as a buyer, barely posts on the forums, blocked profile, he wanted to get something extra out of this, etc...
Personally I have to agree with
KingMC
, I think he's done with the transaction and is satisfied with the final results... if so the feedback will stand for both of you.How, just how what... Did you really think he was going to be happy after some of your posts and would be willing to come to some type of agreement.
In the majority of your posts in this thread and messages, you have either insulted him or insinuated that he's some type of scammer... first feedback as a buyer, barely posts on the forums, blocked profile, he wanted to get something extra out of this, etc...
Personally I have to agree with
You're right, but if you had to deal with this guy, you'd be quite resentful and angry as well. I have not been avoiding him like he's been avoiding me, and I've been very prompt with replies and upfront about everything, so I'm extremely P.O.'d to say the least when he claims I sold him something defective, but doesn't seem to be pursuing for a return. I've already admitted that I could have dealt with things a little better early on, but there is no reason I should be made out to be the bad guy in all of this. I've been quite aggressive because he accused me of quite a few things even before the, what I would consider, mild insults I threw his way.
How, just how what... Did you really think he was going to be happy after some of your posts and would be willing to come to some type of agreement.
In the majority of your posts in this thread and messages, you have either insulted him or insinuated that he's some type of scammer... first feedback as a buyer, barely posts on the forums, blocked profile, he wanted to get something extra out of this, etc...
Personally I have to agree with
You couldn't have stated it better. The moment I added feedback regarding the transaction, I was done with it. I clearly knew with the words conveyed, the problem would have no resolution. As of right now, I have no intentions of sending the knife back to the seller since they are clearly angry. Anger clouds judgment and shows your true character. I wouldn't want any more problems to arise once they receive the knife back, not saying that there would be any.
Creating this thread was unnecessary in my own eyes but whatever makes the seller happy is their decision. I don't see any problems being a "first time buyer", everyone has to start somewhere? I have numerous transactions; selling and mostly buying but I often forget to add feedback.
And yet they both have negative feedback from the deal, so clearly they both were not satisfied. And of course the only way to change it to positive is for both parties to become satisfied, something most people on this thread are pushing for.
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