Axis lock opinion?

I just want to know the general opinion about axis lock...

I like the look of the lock and action but I've never put it through any hard use...

So I just want to know generally how solid is the lock up?

How does it compare to frame lock?

As noted, the SOG is a variation on the BM Axis. I'd say the BM is probably done a tad better, and like others, I've seen references to problems with the omega springs...not failing in use so much as coming apart and shooting across the room when opened. I've personally not experienced that.

Hard use? Depends how hard. In general, I'd trust it about as much as any lock. After all, locks are really safetys and any of them can fail.

The consensus seems to be that the Tri-ad is currently the strongest lock.

Even though I personally dislike frame locks, I'd have to say they are stronger than an axis type.
 
There is no perfect lock, but the Axis is in the very top tier. It is simple, strong, reliable, easy to operate with either hand and easy to clean. Its only possible weakness is the potential for spring failure, which happens, but only extremely rarely. I have owned some of these since they first were introduced in 1999 and those knives have a very high number of cycles - never had any kind of trouble or breakage, and they show now appreciable wear.
 
As noted, the SOG is a variation on the BM Axis. I'd say the BM is probably done a tad better, and like others, I've seen references to problems with the omega springs...not failing in use so much as coming apart and shooting across the room when opened. I've personally not experienced that.

I've had two omega springs fail on my knives. They never shot out of the knife though. In fact, I only noticed that they were broken because the Axis-bar became gritty and easier to pull back. With the way they are placed in the knife, I'd have a hard time believing that they could shoot out of the knife...

I'm also pretty sure that the Axis-lock has been proven to be quantitatively stronger than most frame/liner locks. I do agree that the Triad lock is currently rated at the strongest.
 
Even easier - just pull the lock back with your thumb and forefinger and flip the blade shut.

ETA: The one thing I really like about this type of lock is that your fingers never have to be in the blade's path when closing it.

This.

axis lock is WAY faster than anything else, it is like a free flowing blade that has excellent detent and lockup. Liner lock does not even compare in speed of closing, plus you don't even have to put your fingers in the path of the blade. Axis is not only faster, but it is safer*, not to mention much more fun.
 
I've owned a lot of Benchmade axis lock folders and culled out the ones I didn't really care for (knives, not the locks).

I currently own only the BM 940 and BM 710, both of which are a joy to carry, open, close, and use. I agree that a Benchmade Axis lock (not the other knock-offs) are silky smooth and exremely strong.

Everything you could ask for in a lock system. ;)
 
I do not trust them near as much as even a well made liner-lock ( Emerson comes to mind ) and there's no way the axis is stronger than a well made frame-lock simply because of physics ( your hand keeping the already sufficient framelock in place when you hold and use ).
I do own two axis locks by the way and , the above is my opinion. :)

Tostig
 
The axis lock is very nice, convenient, fast and safe. However, its just not my preferred locking system. Ive owned a few of them and now I only own the Gold Class Griptilian. Id have to agree that I do prefer the liner lock and frame lock over it.
 
I do not trust them near as much as even a well made liner-lock...the above is my opinion. :)

Mine too.

The idea is neat and it is definitely easy to close. I can not get passed the springs though. Why get an axis lock when you can get an equally strong lock (frame, lockback) and not have to worry about tiny parts breaking?
 
Easier.
Off hand, I can't think of anything easier to close.

The compression lock is comparably easy,

A studlock, with the assisted opening removed, will be easier, but they never made a production model like that, so it requires some customization.
 
Mine too.

The idea is neat and it is definitely easy to close. I can not get passed the springs though. Why get an axis lock when you can get an equally strong lock (frame, lockback) and not have to worry about tiny parts breaking?

The axis lock has two springs. A linerlock/framelock has only one...

They're both extremely reliable. But the axis lock is much simpler and easier to make...it is well known (I think--I certainly know it) that axis locks are made incredibly consistently. You can take three of the exact same production liner lock, even an upscale model, and get three different amounts of lockup, stick, resistance to close etc.

Take a look at the 0551 for instance--very well made, high end (for a production) folder and there's essentially no consistency...

I mainly use framelocks these days, but that's more because framelocks tend to occupy the high-end of most brands...
 
The 940 & 950 that I own have cemented the fact that the AXIS lock is hands down my most favorite lock out of any I have seen as of yet. You can use it to flick the knife in or out without ever touching the blade. It's truly ambidextrous even tho I am right handed and don't utilize that to it's fullest. Your fingers never cross the blade path so it's safe too.

I'm not saying I shun all other locks but if it came down to me choosing between 2 knives I really like and one had an AXIS lock that is the one I would choose first.
 
It is my favorite because of the smoothness and ease of use. the ti framelock is a close second. On the strength thing its seems to me that it would be as strong or stronger than a frame or liner lock. With that said I have never met a lock on a production knife that was not strong enough for me to trust.
 
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Even though I personally dislike frame locks, I'd have to say they are stronger than an axis type.

No, they're not.
I prefer frame-locks myself, but they are not the strongest lock out there.
The AXIS lock is in the running for strongest lock.
I like frame-locks for reliability, not straight-up strength.:)
 
Have anyone noticed the placement of the three holes (pivot, stop pin, axis bar) on the frame can sometimes be dangerously close, weakening the overall frame around this areas?

Saw a picture of Enlan EL02. Patent dispute aside, does any of BM have similar placement? Someone with mechanical or civil engineer ing background can analyze? The applied force during opening/closing, normal usage against edge, and against back/spine.
 
not a fan. had 2 and they both broke. i would take a frame/liner lock any day of the week over it.
 
Even easier - just pull the lock back with your thumb and forefinger and flip the blade shut.

ETA: The one thing I really like about this type of lock is that your fingers never have to be in the blade's path when closing it.
Yeah, that's why my Kulgera keeps finding its way back into my pocket and is used so often, pretty much everywhere. Open, cut, close, never leaving an opened blade around or anything. I guess that sounds simple to some, but honestly whenever I use a liner lock or a fixed blade anymore I always find closing or sheathing it to be really cumbersome comparatively.

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As far as the springs breaking, I don't really have much concern about that as far as reliability goes. I've had springs break on me on four separate occasions, and they never broke at the same time; the redundant spring design means that you'd have to have some kind of catastrophic incident where both springs failed simultaneously. The odds of that seem very low, and I think that the likelihood of anything like that happening without you knowing it would be slim to none, and if you know the springs are broken, then user intervention ( replacing springs, shoving a stick in there to secure the lockup) is very simple.

I don't really care about "lock strength", but obviously the axis lock is a very high-strength lock just by its design alone. I don't want to do a whole frame-lock vs axis lock argument here, but compare the diameter of the pivot and the lock-bar which secure an axis lock to the average thickness of the cutout on a frame-lock. I don't really think there's that much difference there considering the width of the cutout as well, so I don't think either has a higher chance than the other of breaking, but if I had to pick which I think would break first I'd say the rectangular form of a frame-lock cutout is going to fail before the cylindrical shape of a lock-bar would, so I don't really see why one would favor a frame-lock outside of the spring-failure worry.

I don't really think the merit of the AXIS lock are in its lock-strength though. I think the operation of the lock itself is where it really shines through. The strength of the lock-up itself is just a consequence of the lock design itself. I think if one were to set out to make an incredibly strong lock, the simplicity of the lock-bar just interfacing the tang wouldn't readily occur to most, and you'd wind up seeing something very over-built ( not to demean it ) like the Tri-Ad lock. So in my opinion the AXIS lock design is more focused on the way it deploys and closes than having tremendous strength in the lock-up, it's just the way they executed it is very simple, and simple designs are pretty easy to make strong. Interfacing the tang with the lock-bar makes for both the deployment features and a very secure lock-up.
 
Love 'em.

I've had a Benchmade 710 that I carried almost daily for eight or nine years. Took a break for a while trying out some other designs, now it's back in my pocket. Got four Benchies with axis locks, not had a problem with a single one.

I've got frame and liner locks, the axis is my favorite.
 
Originally Posted by Alann45
Even though I personally dislike frame locks, I'd have to say they are stronger than an axis type.

No, they're not.
If you say so, it must be true. :D

I prefer frame-locks myself, but they are not the strongest lock out there.
The AXIS lock is in the running for strongest lock.
I like frame-locks for reliability, not straight-up strength.:)

Probably (or should I be more declarative?;)) depends on which frame-lock we're talking about...aint like they are all equal.
Since I don't particularly like them, I don't have a great many. Pretty sure CRK thnks theirs is pretty strong. Same for Hinderer and/or the ZTs.
 
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