Axis Lock

GermanyChris said:
I do, it's a 522SBK and it has patient number RE41259 which leads to this:

http://www.google.de/patents/USRE41259

Which has an publication date of this:

27 Apr 2010
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I don't know what that German entry means, but when you put RE41259 into Google patents you get this page:
https://patents.google.com/patent/USRE41259E1/en

On that page it says
Priority date 1996-07-12
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And since we already establish that post 1995 patent expiration is based on "application date" or "priority date", I don't understand why you're pointing at "publication date". Grant date and publication date don't have anything to do with expiration.
 
RX-79G said:
I don't know what that German entry means, but when you put RE41259 into Google patents you get this page:
https://patents.google.com/patent/USRE41259E1/en

On that page it says


And since we already establish that post 1995 patent expiration is based on "application date" or "priority date", I don't understand why you're pointing at "publication date". Grant date and publication date don't have anything to do with expiration.
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NVM...I'm feeling kinda mellow
 
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RX-79G said:
I don't know what that German entry means, but when you put RE41259 into Google patents you get this page:
https://patents.google.com/patent/USRE41259E1/en

On that page it says


And since we already establish that post 1995 patent expiration is based on "application date" or "priority date", I don't understand why you're pointing at "publication date". Grant date and publication date don't have anything to do with expiration.
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So what does the actual patent number on your knife say?
 
RX-79G said:
It says "Craytab keeps asking off topic questions in an attempt to steer the topic into a personal vendetta."
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Sorry, what? Why would your benchmade knife say that. If you don't want to have a serious discussion, fine. But don't poke fun.

Go to the USPTO and enter in some of those numbers. See where it takes you. You can see all the correspondence between the PTO and Benchmade/Mchenry and williams. Why are they getting new patents and making payments if their patent will expire in a couple months?
 
Nap said:
U.S. patents cannot be extended.
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Nap - What about prosecution extensions? What about Hatch Waxman (specialized and not applicable here, i agree)? I am not trying to argue, just pointing out that you have made a slightly sweeping statement that might need a little qualification.
 
Wilsonhome said:
Nap - What about prosecution extensions? What about Hatch Waxman (specialized and not applicable here, i agree)? I am not trying to argue, just pointing out that you have made a slightly sweeping statement that might need a little qualification. I agree with you on how continuations work.
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Wilson, maybe you can shed some light? You seems to have the most experience with this than most of us. Reading some of this patent law stuff makes my head hurt. There are so many patents related to the axis lock it is hard to be sure what is going on. Can you look at it?
 
craytab said:
Wilson, maybe you can shed some light? You seems to have the most experience with this than most of us. Reading some of this patent law stuff makes my head hurt. There are so many patents related to the axis lock it is hard to be sure what is going on. Can you look at it?
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Ugh. That seems like work Cray. :)

I will get one of my IP attorney buddies to tell me when he thinks it expires and buy him a beer or something. Give me a bit.
 
Nevermind...I actually need to read all the patents in the chain because some might demonstrate a new utility.

I guess the one good thing that might come from the Axis lock patent expiring is scumbag companies like Ganzo couldn't keep ripping it off :D.
 
Wilsonhome said:
Ugh. That seems like work Cray. :)

I will get one of my IP attorney buddies to tell me when he thinks it expires and buy him a beer or something. Give me a bit.
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It is work for sure. That is the thing, when it expires is not a fact. A good law firm could likely extend this thing in court forever. Makes my head hurt.

Thanks!
 
craytab said:
Sorry, what? Why would your benchmade knife say that. If you don't want to have a serious discussion, fine. But don't poke fun.

Go to the USPTO and enter in some of those numbers. See where it takes you. You can see all the correspondence between the PTO and Benchmade/Mchenry and williams. Why are they getting new patents and making payments if their patent will expire in a couple months?
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I have no idea, and none of that can transform a 20 year patent into something longer than 20 years. There is essentially only one good reason to extend a patent, and that is due to delays caused by USPTO. That didn't appear to happen, so there is no reason to look at all the activity and conclude that a patent on something like a pocketknife would suddenly have entirely different rules applied to it.


As far as following the patent numbers - I did and they lead back to the same date: 1996.
 
craytab said:
So what does the actual patent number on your knife say?
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RX-79G said:
It says "Craytab keeps asking off topic questions in an attempt to steer the topic into a personal vendetta."
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craytab said:
Sorry, what? Why would your benchmade knife say that. If you don't want to have a serious discussion, fine. But don't poke fun.
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RX-79G said:
I have no idea, and none of that can transform a 20 year patent into something longer than 20 years. There is essentially only one good reason to extend a patent, and that is due to delays caused by USPTO. That didn't appear to happen, so there is no reason to look at all the activity and conclude that a patent on something like a pocketknife would suddenly have entirely different rules applied to it.

As far as following the patent numbers - I did and they lead back to the same date: 1996.
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What do you have "no idea" about? Why you would say that your benchmade knife has a direct personal insult to me on the blade or are you talking about the topic of this thread?
 
RX-79G said:
Again "issue date" has nothing to do with calculating expiration. That is from "priority date" and "application date", which your link again shows as 1996.
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When I look in the mirror I still a cocksure 23 year old Buckeye, paratrooper not the 40yo, pudgy, husband and father, slightly grey guy that teaches privates to shoot, creates target maps for special people.
 
Hackenslash said:
Nevermind...I actually need to read all the patents in the chain because some might demonstrate a new utility.

I guess the one good thing that might come from the Axis lock patent expiring is scumbag companies like Ganzo couldn't keep ripping it off :D.
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Why would you think that? If they stole the design while it's been patented, they'll definitely continue to use it once the patent expires.

Did you mean that they'll still use it, but since the patent expired it can't be seen as ganzo ripping off Benchmade?
 
I would love to see a PM2 with the axis lock. The compression lock is fine but it does pinch me fingers every once in a while. :p That knife with axis-lock would be epic.
 
eschwebach said:
I would love to see a PM2 with the axis lock. The compression lock is fine but it does pinch me fingers every once in a while. :p That knife with axis-lock would be epic.
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Ganzo has already made that counterfeit knife. I don't think you are the type to purchase such a thing though.
 
Sharp Guy said:
The bolt action lock on the Sage 3 is easier to operate than the CBBL lock on Manix 2. Not quite as easy to pull back as an Axis lock but, as BlugrassBrian said, it's pretty close.
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+1

My sage 3 is unbeleivably smooth. Much, much better than a Manix with the CBBL lock.
 
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