Axis Lock

MaximIsayev said:
It's hard to make something better when it's protected by overzealous lawyers and a copyright law that borders on the ridiculous. The tri-ad lock was based on a free design, that gave Cold Steel enough freedom to innovate on it and bring a superior product to the market without fearing copyright holders and lawsuits. It's not possible to innovate on an Axis lock without getting it licensed, that means that a lot of small knife makers will not bother with it and will instead opt for the free designs, that's why liner locks and frame locks are so popular.
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I think you missed the point of what I meant-I should have better stated it. Andrew Demko took the back lock and "made it better". Same with Spyderco and their improvements to the back/mid lock with the current version being offered on the Native, for example. I'm not specifically talking about the Axis Lock. I saying not everyone has to reinvent the wheel, just strive to improve what's already in their lineups.
 
MaximIsayev said:
It's hard to make something better when it's protected by overzealous lawyers and a copyright law that borders on the ridiculous. The tri-ad lock was based on a free design, that gave Cold Steel enough freedom to innovate on it and bring a superior product to the market without fearing copyright holders and lawsuits. It's not possible to innovate on an Axis lock without getting it licensed, that means that a lot of small knife makers will not bother with it and will instead opt for the free designs, that's why liner locks and frame locks are so popular.
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ZT is the master of the frame lock. Not a small operation. The SOG arc lock does the same thing as the axis lock just in a much different way. They innovated.
 
craytab said:
You should try the APB from Benchmade. It is a button actuated axis lock. To be great it needs to be assisted. Best lock I have ever used. I'm going to be ordering a Pallas soon as well. Button lock glory.
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It appears they had to go the assisted route to keep the knife from being an illegal gravity knife.
 
RX-79G said:
It appears they had to go the assisted route to keep the knife from being an illegal gravity knife.
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Nope. It has a far stronger detent than their regular axis lock knives. Unlike many assisted knives the APB 665 relies very little on the assist for closing detent. Trying hard enough I can make most knives into a gravity knife.
 
flipe8 said:
I think you missed the point of what I meant-I should have better stated it. Andrew Demko took the back lock and "made it better". Same with Spyderco and their improvements to the back/mid lock with the current version being offered on the Native, for example. I'm not specifically talking about the Axis Lock. I saying not everyone has to reinvent the wheel, just strive to improve what's already in their lineups.
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Don't get me wrong, I agree with this, everyone should strive to improve their existing designs. My point is that for new knife makers (and I'm not talking about counterfeiters like Ganzo, but actual people who make knives of their own design) there is not much selection in terms of lock mechanisms besides backlock/framelock/linerlock, that's why those are so prevalent in the market right now. Companies like Spyderco and ZT can afford to license whatever type of lock they want, so it doesn't concern them, although they still follow global trends to keep the customers happy.
 
craytab said:
Nope. It has a far stronger detent than their regular axis lock knives. Unlike many assisted knives the APB 665 relies very little on the assist for closing detent. Trying hard enough I can make most knives into a gravity knife.
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On an Axis lock the position of the locking piece is the detent. Are you saying that when you push both APB buttons there is a secondary detent holding the blade in the closed position aside from the assist?
 
RX-79G said:
Okay, I see that the buttons are deactivated when the knife is closed. That's what prevents it from being a gravity knife when the assist is taken out.
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Nope. They are active as ever. It is an axis lock. It acts just like an axis lock. Just like with an axis lock, when you push the thumb studs, the knife opens. Push the buttons and it is like pulling the axis lock bar back. It does have a safety though that when engaged blocks the the buttons from moving and the blade from opening and closing. Quite an innovative design.

It is all detailed in that thread.
 
craytab said:
Nope. They are active as ever. It is an axis lock. It acts just like an axis lock. Just like with an axis lock, when you push the thumb studs, the knife opens. Push the buttons and it is like pulling the axis lock bar back. It does have a safety though that when engaged blocks the the buttons from moving and the blade from opening and closing. Quite an innovative design.

It is all detailed in that thread.
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Okay, I was confused by the lock and the lock for the lock.

With the assist removed and blade closed, if you push both buttons all the way in, is there any detent holding the blade closed at all, or just pivot friction?
 
RX-79G said:
Okay, I was confused by the lock and the lock for the lock.

With the assist removed and blade closed, if you push both buttons all the way in, is there any detent holding the blade closed at all, or just pivot friction?
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No detent. Just like a normal axis lock. The detent when deassisted comes from the button actuated axis lock, just like a normal axis lock.
 
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