Bad bad bad experience with Knifekits.com

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I ordered $16+ worth of stuff and they charged me for an outrageous shipping cost of almost $10. I obliged because I want/need those items. They crammed the items in a USPS priority mail envelope that cost a measly $4+. From GA to CA, the items got lost along the way and all I have is an empty envelope with no items in it! Called them and talked to a certain Robby who is kind enough to call their Postmaster to claim but failed because the items have no insurance.

For 3 days Ive been calling to follow up until I gave up and talked to their manager named Jonathan. He said that this is the first time an item got lost in the mail. Accordingly, they ship thousands every day. He advice that the only thing I can do is order the items again and have Fedex ship it! :eek: Okay, so where's the "customer service"? Well, Mr. Jonathan said, it's not their fault! Although I agree, at least offer a concession to make customers like me happy or at least, less disappointed. But, no. After hearing me beg for a concession for $16+ items, he offered 15% discount - but no thanks. I'm buying the stuff elsewhere and will tell everyone I know in the knife business to avoid them!!!

Sorry, you folks at Knifekits.com needs to learn more about customer service!
 
Wow, that sucks.
My last order from Jantz came in a flimsy envelope too and it also had a nice sized hole right through the end. Big enough that the blade could have even slipped though if it hadent been wrapped up. They also charge about $10 for what other suppliers seem to charge nearly $5 for.
Going to think twice before ordering from them again also.
 
Sorry this had to be your first post at Bladeforums. Welcome anyway.
I'd eat the $26, tell Jonathan to go pound sand, and email him this thread.
Then, every time the topic of knifekits came up, I'd tell my story or point people to this thread.

Since you paid $10 for a $4+ envelope, the contents should have been insured, or at least guaranteed delivery. I don't care what he pays his employees.
Also, Jonathan might note that I came to GB&U just to commend someone on how well they packaged an item.
There's a lesson here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=821821


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Oh wow, if these are the exact facts then I know one outfit I'm never going to order from. I can sort of understand the ten dollar charge, many companies charge flat rates based upon the dollar values of the orders. This of course sucks if you aren't buying a lot of stuff, but it's not uncommon and as long as you know up front about it and agree to pay the shipping I don't see a beef there.

However, them telling you "sorry you'll just have to order it again" when it was their packaging that was inadequate (or even if it wasn't) is inexcusable. It's up to them to be smart enough to purchase insurance and to package their items adequately, not you.

Unless they show up here with a really good explanation they are off my list.
 
What he ^ said. If they can't package your items well enough to insure safe delivery it's their fault entirely. I'll never do business with them if that's the case.
 
I order from KnifeKits all the time. No clue how many times, but it's a lot, and I'll be ordering more Tomorrow. Every order I've received has been in a thick cardboard box with those inflated plastic bubbles for padding. All small items were taped so they couldn't fall out of the box if it was damaged. Shipping has always been reasonable. I always use USPS Priority, and the labels are printed without actual postage, but I'm sure I've never been overcharged based on the size and weight of the items I order. My last order I believe was 2'x1' and about 5 pounds. Shipping was about 12 bucks I think, which seems reasonable to me. I've received lighter orders the same size at 6 or 7 bucks Priority. I do of course know that packaging and labor isn't free and figure that in.

I've dealt with CS and Johnathon a few times over minor questions and they've never been anything but prompt and courteous. The one time a mistake was made on an order, they had it handled the same day I emailed.

Not saying the OP is BS or anything of the sort, but considering their standing and my own experience, it doesn't sound right at all.
 
I order from KnifeKits all the time. No clue how many times, but it's a lot, and I'll be ordering more Tomorrow. Every order I've received has been in a thick cardboard box with those inflated plastic bubbles for padding. All small items were taped so they couldn't fall out of the box if it was damaged. Shipping has always been reasonable. I always use USPS Priority, and the labels are printed without actual postage, but I'm sure I've never been overcharged based on the size and weight of the items I order. My last order I believe was 2'x1' and about 5 pounds. Shipping was about 12 bucks I think, which seems reasonable to me. I've received lighter orders the same size at 6 or 7 bucks Priority. I do of course know that packaging and labor isn't free and figure that in.

I've dealt with CS and Johnathon a few times over minor questions and they've never been anything but prompt and courteous. The one time a mistake was made on an order, they had it handled the same day I emailed.

Not saying the OP is BS or anything of the sort, but considering their standing and my own experience, it doesn't sound right at all.

Sounds to me like it would be a good plan for someone from custom knife kits to show up here and tell their side of the story.
 
Sorry to hear you have had a bad experience. Not to take away from it, but Ive had good experiences overall. Once ordered I think 5 ball chains for around neck carry for $5 along with a bunch of other stuff. When I got em , I only got 1 chain. Emailed them, and they sent the other 4 chains via priority flat rate envelope, they paid more to ship them then I paid for the chains, pretty nice of em.

Also bought $65 worth of stuff a few wees back (have yet to open it) and they charged me $10.98 for this big bad boy via fed-ex, pretty good deal.
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They are still on my good list.
 
Sounds to me like it would be a good plan for someone from custom knife kits to show up here and tell their side of the story.

Sent 'em an email with the link.
 
Like Kiah, I order from them all the time and never had an issue. I hope they can make this right.
 
That's a lot of credibility points for a guy with one (1) BF post!!

BTW – Here’s KnifeKits.com Jonathan Musick on video, for a vibe of the unyielding manager…
http://www.knifekits.com/video_clips/webvid_cabstud/kk_web_cabstuds.wmv

Mr. Maverick888 failed to tell the full details of his experience with KnifeKits.com…

He failed to mention that “he” ordered online and chose his own rate and method for shipping option using a real-time rate calculator directly connected to USPS and FedEx for the prices and delivery estimate. He also failed to state that his package was “automatically upgraded to Priority on our dime” at the point of labeling. It was also packed in (2) packages, and not (1) stuffed, flimsy envelope, as was inferred.

He ordered the cheapest method and we upgraded it to Priority for no extra charge. When it arrived in California, it had been tampered-with or damaged by the carrier. Both his PM and ours verified it.

The inner package was removed, lost or stolen (the inner manila bubble envelope gone) and his local Postmaster supposedly told him that we weren’t supposed to ship items this way. Of course, it wasn't deduced yet that his Postmaster really is speculating deeply when he says that something was shipped incorrectly... especially when he never saw the original package in the first place!

Truth is, we’ve been using the same packaging method as proven method for over 10 years to all points in the USA and abroad… and it works great!!

A simple search of the forums here will reveal over 500 threads on BF touting our company, our products, our service and our support of the knife industry, over 10 years in the forging!

Having said that…
I’ve got one senior member of BF telling the world to avoid KnifeKits.com at the drop of a hat and several others supporting the 1st post accusations of a brand new, unproven member. Were it not for our many friends and allies, this post would have blinded us. Thank you folks!

As I’m sure that many will read this response, many whom I know and respect, I would like for the facts on this case to be clear.

KnifeKits.com is not a fly-by-night company. We are a brand with over 1500 products. Our address is http://www.knifekits.com We even have our own dedicated support forum where the public is invited to post questions directly to our employees about anything from orders placed, lost or for DIY support, anything. (out of respect for my friend Kevin, I won’t post the link or name here) We all know where it is. Suffice to say that we’ve never ignored a customer issue! We are innovators in providing online customer support.

The items purchased by Maverick888 wouldn’t cover the palm of my hand and in no-way caused a sorter problem, unless some guy was asleep at the wheel. He’s the one that picked the cheapest USPS delivery method when he placed his order. We upgraded him for free to Priority, but he didn’t mention that to you, again!

Also, this incident is hardly described by “stuffing” something into a Priority 12x12 envelope and then overcharging someone to deliver it. We use a “rate calculator” on our web site that works directly with the provider’s USPS and FedEx systems in real-time, not a fee-table for dictating shipping charges. It talks with the postal system and FedEx in real-time and returns their rates and estimates for exact calculations. The customer then chooses the method they want to pay for.

Also… in defense of a very good man:
Jonathan Musick did not say that we ship 1000’s per day and that we’ve never heard of a lost package. What he did say was that we’ve shipped 1000’s of packages like his and can verify from experience that a lost package using our method is a rare event!

I’m not stating fact, but the post office and FedEx do get the vast, vast majority of all packages to their intended locations without any incident. That’s my experience.

Since I’ve already sent this customer a replacement package and will follow up with him directly, let me apologize to anyone reading this for any errors that we cause and for any missteps in how we handle things when packages go out. All we ask is that you pick the quality of delivery based on a certain assumption of risk/reward.

Everyone knows that Parcel Post is less quality and slower, more handled than Priority. I’m eating this one because my employees, on my directive, upgrade all of our customers shipping automatically, based on the difference between the published rate and the rate that we can select before labeling that may be discounted for specialized packaging options. Our cart system doesn’t have a way to determine what has to be put in a box or can go in special containers. We can do that on the fly and improve the method for the same price, sometimes. Since I upgraded to a method that he didn’t request, I’m really responsible for how and when it gets there. We've already taken care of it.

For any of you that know me, you know I’m always looking for the right, and most even-handed solution to every problem. All of the guys that work here are professionals, available by phone at any time. When they get told to pound sand, it's worth my time to defend.

I’m not pointing my finger at any one. I only talk from experience. I recommend that all people, who read these types of threads out on forums where you see attacks like this going on (and BF is one of the cleanest forums around), do a little personal investigation before they form an opinion about people or events based on posts. This will help you get at the real truth more than not.

A simple search of KnifeKits.com on these forums returned over 500 posts worth of historic content about our company. I’ll let that do our reputation defending!

Alex Whetsell
aw (at) atlantavirtual.com
 
I've only ordered from knifekits the one time and had no problems.
But the service described in the OP is beyond any standard we would expect of our fellow members here at BFC.
How many people have posted, "The transaction is not over until both parties are happy."
If the OP's post is accurate, Jonathan is passing the buck onto the USPS and forgetting his customer.
 
Well, there's the other side of the story. It seems that the packaging was not as described by the OP. Also, since it has been stated that a replacement package has been sent it would sound to me like knifekits stepped up and honored their obligations.
 
Since I’ve already sent this customer a replacement package and will follow up with him directly, let me apologize to anyone reading this for any errors that we cause and for any missteps in how we handle things when packages go out. All we ask is that you pick the quality of delivery based on a certain assumption of risk/reward.

That is precisely what I was hoping to read.
However, some points in the OP's post still resonate, and I, for one, wouldn't mind some clarity.


I ordered $16+ worth of stuff and they charged me for an outrageous shipping cost of almost $10.!

First, if the items could barely cover the palm of your hand as VirtualEdge points out, why was the lowest shipping option (also something VirtualEdge pointed out) $10 and didn't even include insurance? For a few small parts, no matter what a company pays its hourly labor, the price seems a little out of whack. Is the price reported by the OP accurate, and why wasn't insurance a part of it? Perhaps here it's because the packaging was better than the OP thought? That, I can understand a little better, but like Triton pointed out above, it stinks to buy a few small things and have to pay as much or more in shipping to get them. Such is the peril of online shopping, I suppose.


For 3 days Ive been calling to follow up until I gave up and talked to their manager named Jonathan. He said that this is the first time an item got lost in the mail. Accordingly, they ship thousands every day. He advice that the only thing I can do is order the items again and have Fedex ship it!

All we ask is that you pick the quality of delivery based on a certain assumption of risk/reward.

Is this something that Jonathan at Knifekits said? It's been a longstanding (albeit unwritten) rule here at BFC that the seller is responsible for getting an item into the hands of the buyer. If it gets lost and there's no insurance, that's on the seller. The idea of assuming risk/reward when ordering from a company doesn't wash with me, no matter what shipping option a person chooses.

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It's all a moot point really. Knifekits is making good, and I will rescind/delete my earlier statement about shopping elsewhere. I've already admitted that my experience with the company is limited.
However, the OP posted a clear complaint that didn't come across as an idiotic rant (though he certainly appears upset). Post count aside, I gave it plausible credence until I saw something to the contrary--a contradiction which I'm glad appeared.

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Did you pay with a credit card or PayPal? If so, open a dispute if you haven't gotten what you paid for. There's nothing to negotiate.

If Knifekits.com inadequately packed your items, that's on them. Regardless of the dispute outcome, you will have given Knifekits.com much more to think about. Trust me.

A few months ago, I purchase two knives. The seller made absolutely no effort to pack them properly. Just threw them in an envelope. No padded wrapping. Nothing. Because they were allowed to shift & slide around, one of the knives wore a big enough hole in the envelope that it fell out in transit. The second knife literally fell out as I was taking the envelope out of my mailbox.

Contacted the seller. Was ignored. Open a dispute with PayPal. Got a refund for the knife that got lost in transit, including that portion of shipping. Still, I would never buy from that seller again.

Hope this helps.
 
I ordered 8 or 9 times from knifekits and always received good service. One time, there was two kydex sheets missing from my order; I emailed and received them in no time. They're great in my book.
 
Since I’ve already sent this customer a replacement package and will follow up with him directly, let me apologize to anyone reading this for any errors that we cause and for any missteps in how we handle things when packages go out.
It seems this Seller is taking professional action. Good to know.
All we ask is that you pick the quality of delivery based on a certain assumption of risk/reward.
Well, this might be a sticking point with me.
The idea of assuming risk/reward when ordering from a company doesn't wash with me, no matter what shipping option a person chooses.
Agreed.
 
I order from KnifeKits all the time. No clue how many times, but it's a lot, and I'll be ordering more Tomorrow. Every order I've received has been in a thick cardboard box with those inflated plastic bubbles for padding.

I've ordered from them 2 or 3 times and had the same experience. Thick plastic box with cadboad packaging bubbles.


As far as the shipping is concerned, most places I shop charge $7.00-$8.00 shipping no matter what the object's size is. This includes: AG Russell, Knives Plus, Knifeworks, Dicks Sporting Goods, Barnes and Noble (Although mine's free because I have one of those membership thingies), Cabelas.
 
It's been a longstanding (albeit unwritten) rule here at BFC that the seller is responsible for getting an item into the hands of the buyer. If it gets lost and there's no insurance, that's on the seller. The idea of assuming risk/reward when ordering from a company doesn't wash with me, no matter what shipping option a person chooses.
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I may be wrong but this was not a BFC transaction- the dispute was between a buyer and company. If the OP bought items from Amazon and selected the cheapest shipping with no insurance or tracking and the package got lost, Amazon would have no responsibility whatsoever to replace the items.

However, in this case, apparently Knife kits did step up and cover the loss to the OP. Right?
 
Have to give credit where credit is due. I've ordered a lot of stuff from KnifeKits.com and I have been impressed with their service. They have readily fixed my orders before they have been shipped after my own mistakes in ordering. The one time I thought I had a complaint, it turned out to be my own stupid mistake. Good thing I kept it to myself. Cut 'em some slack.
 
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