The story: I will not mention any names at this time, seller or knife maker.
~Listed on Blade Forum was a beautiful knife. I had seen the knife before for sale from a different member, but I was too slow to pull the trigger, (one that got away). This time I did not snooze, so I made a high offer, asked to make sure it was in mint condition and executed the transaction. His exact words were The Knife is Mint; I never carried it or used it.
~After I paid, and he had some glitches with his PayPal account, (he hit return payment to sender button, instead of sending it to his directly to his bank account), I thought I was going to be getting a great knife, with a smooth transaction. I was wrong
~I received the knife, opened it up and was happy at first. Then, I started looking a bit more closely at it. The Mammoth Ivory is cracked, the titanium is scratched and the blade has a few scratches as well. In no means the knife is in, Mint Condition.
~I immediately called him that evening, left a message to call me back and waited. I missed his phone call the next day, so called him back & sent him another email. This time voicing my concerns and requesting that I would like to return the knife.
~This is the email that he sent after my request;
Derek, my other job has me out of the Country (Flight Medic) and I won't be back for a while!! You asked me if the knife was Mint, before I received it, it was sent to (knife maker) for a once over and he replaced the Thumb Stud with the Damascus Stud!! He told me the knife was Mint and when I got the knife I never carried it or used it to cut anything !! It was immediately stored in my Safe !! I sent it to you the way I received it !! If there is some kind of issue you can send it to the knife maker to check it. I hope this help's you out ?? It's a Bad Ass knife !! Good Luck !!
~I could not get ahold of him at this point by phone (no answer).
~I sent him 2 other emails:
First email: Wow, I am a bit shocked. That does not work for me. I am dealing with you, it is not the knife makers problem. This is not how we knife collectors handle things, by passing it on to someone else. The knife is not "mint condition" and that is the only reason why I purchased the knife from you for as much as I had. The Mammoth Ivory is cracked, the titanium is scratched and the blade has a few scratches as well. Both parties need to be satisfied when purchasing on the forum, obviously I am not happy. Out of the Country or not, you can do better than this. By writing me "good luck," I really hope youre not just telling me that you do not want to work things out. I am patient and would like to get this resolved.
(NO RESPONSE)
Second email: You are online and not dealing with this bad transaction in a good manner. You have email access and internet access because I can see you have been on BF everyday as well as today.
This is the only way to reach you because you are as well avoiding my calls and emails to your AOL account. I highly doubt you are "out of the Country for a while" and even if so, you should be able to handle this in a timely manner.
(members name and address) you are not being respectful, and I will make sure everyone know this.
~At this point I received an immediate response;
Derek, the knife was Mint when I sent it to you !!! There where no scratches on the knife !!! Anything Organic is Subject possible changes, that's why they Stabilize it !! To be fair I'm willing to pay for any refurbishing by the knife maker if you want to send it to him !! If not, sell the knife !! It's worth more then $800. If I didn't need the $$$ I would have kept it myself !!! I never said if you didn't like the knife I'd return the Money !! Also, I've been a member on BF for almost 10 year's and through out many Transaction's I've never once had a problem !!! So please don't try to tell me about us Collectors !! This is the best I can do, if this does not work for you then do what you must !! I've always been a Stand up guy and that's why I sent you the Blade even before I received payment from you !! And don't assume that because I have Internet access I'm not where I say that I am even though it's non of your business !! Good Luck !!
~My response to his email;
Fair enough. First off, the knife is NOT the description you said it was in. I purchased a mint knife from you, it is not "mint" by any means. Needing the $$$ like you stated, maybe you over sold the condition of the knife to get the most $ which I paid. I would not sell this knife to anyone unless I stated the condition it was in first. That is the type of person I am. Second, by you having me send it back to the knife maker to check it makes it my problem. You never said you would pay for it, until now. And the way you are dodging me, how would I be able to trust you to pay for the refurbish, 10 years on BF or not. Third, on your statement that you sent me the knife before you received payment; you made the mistake of returning PayPal payment because you clicked the wrong button. I sent you the money first, don't make it out to sound like you were doing me any favors. Fourth, you are correct It is "none of my business" where you are, but you made it clear to me you are out of the "Country being a (Flight Medic)". You probably help a lot of people, but don't HIGHLIGHT IT if you don't want people to know. I have purchased 6 knifes on BF and have had great experiences.. This is not one of them; it is a waste of my time and extremely frustrating. In my eyes, you are ruining the trading experience and good fortune of the other members on the Forum. I understand the rules on BF and you never said if I did not like the knife you would send me back my money. I also stated in an email, if the knife is in mint condition I will take it. In my eyes you mislead me, maybe by accident, but it still does not make this a fair transaction. I don't think others should have to go through this as well.
~In the mean time I have contacted the knife maker and sent another email to this member.
Talked to (the knife maker) today and he remembers the knife. He stated to me that it would cost upwards of $300 to replace the handle material & refurbish the other scratches. I would like to see what you think.
Please let me know,
~I have not heard anything back from this member in 4 days.
~Understanding there are two sides to every story, I am trying to be a clear as possible. I just dont think any seller should have other members jump through hoops to fix their mistakes, honest or deceitful.
Thoughts? Opinions?
~Listed on Blade Forum was a beautiful knife. I had seen the knife before for sale from a different member, but I was too slow to pull the trigger, (one that got away). This time I did not snooze, so I made a high offer, asked to make sure it was in mint condition and executed the transaction. His exact words were The Knife is Mint; I never carried it or used it.
~After I paid, and he had some glitches with his PayPal account, (he hit return payment to sender button, instead of sending it to his directly to his bank account), I thought I was going to be getting a great knife, with a smooth transaction. I was wrong
~I received the knife, opened it up and was happy at first. Then, I started looking a bit more closely at it. The Mammoth Ivory is cracked, the titanium is scratched and the blade has a few scratches as well. In no means the knife is in, Mint Condition.
~I immediately called him that evening, left a message to call me back and waited. I missed his phone call the next day, so called him back & sent him another email. This time voicing my concerns and requesting that I would like to return the knife.
~This is the email that he sent after my request;
Derek, my other job has me out of the Country (Flight Medic) and I won't be back for a while!! You asked me if the knife was Mint, before I received it, it was sent to (knife maker) for a once over and he replaced the Thumb Stud with the Damascus Stud!! He told me the knife was Mint and when I got the knife I never carried it or used it to cut anything !! It was immediately stored in my Safe !! I sent it to you the way I received it !! If there is some kind of issue you can send it to the knife maker to check it. I hope this help's you out ?? It's a Bad Ass knife !! Good Luck !!
~I could not get ahold of him at this point by phone (no answer).
~I sent him 2 other emails:
First email: Wow, I am a bit shocked. That does not work for me. I am dealing with you, it is not the knife makers problem. This is not how we knife collectors handle things, by passing it on to someone else. The knife is not "mint condition" and that is the only reason why I purchased the knife from you for as much as I had. The Mammoth Ivory is cracked, the titanium is scratched and the blade has a few scratches as well. Both parties need to be satisfied when purchasing on the forum, obviously I am not happy. Out of the Country or not, you can do better than this. By writing me "good luck," I really hope youre not just telling me that you do not want to work things out. I am patient and would like to get this resolved.
(NO RESPONSE)
Second email: You are online and not dealing with this bad transaction in a good manner. You have email access and internet access because I can see you have been on BF everyday as well as today.
This is the only way to reach you because you are as well avoiding my calls and emails to your AOL account. I highly doubt you are "out of the Country for a while" and even if so, you should be able to handle this in a timely manner.
(members name and address) you are not being respectful, and I will make sure everyone know this.
~At this point I received an immediate response;
Derek, the knife was Mint when I sent it to you !!! There where no scratches on the knife !!! Anything Organic is Subject possible changes, that's why they Stabilize it !! To be fair I'm willing to pay for any refurbishing by the knife maker if you want to send it to him !! If not, sell the knife !! It's worth more then $800. If I didn't need the $$$ I would have kept it myself !!! I never said if you didn't like the knife I'd return the Money !! Also, I've been a member on BF for almost 10 year's and through out many Transaction's I've never once had a problem !!! So please don't try to tell me about us Collectors !! This is the best I can do, if this does not work for you then do what you must !! I've always been a Stand up guy and that's why I sent you the Blade even before I received payment from you !! And don't assume that because I have Internet access I'm not where I say that I am even though it's non of your business !! Good Luck !!
~My response to his email;
Fair enough. First off, the knife is NOT the description you said it was in. I purchased a mint knife from you, it is not "mint" by any means. Needing the $$$ like you stated, maybe you over sold the condition of the knife to get the most $ which I paid. I would not sell this knife to anyone unless I stated the condition it was in first. That is the type of person I am. Second, by you having me send it back to the knife maker to check it makes it my problem. You never said you would pay for it, until now. And the way you are dodging me, how would I be able to trust you to pay for the refurbish, 10 years on BF or not. Third, on your statement that you sent me the knife before you received payment; you made the mistake of returning PayPal payment because you clicked the wrong button. I sent you the money first, don't make it out to sound like you were doing me any favors. Fourth, you are correct It is "none of my business" where you are, but you made it clear to me you are out of the "Country being a (Flight Medic)". You probably help a lot of people, but don't HIGHLIGHT IT if you don't want people to know. I have purchased 6 knifes on BF and have had great experiences.. This is not one of them; it is a waste of my time and extremely frustrating. In my eyes, you are ruining the trading experience and good fortune of the other members on the Forum. I understand the rules on BF and you never said if I did not like the knife you would send me back my money. I also stated in an email, if the knife is in mint condition I will take it. In my eyes you mislead me, maybe by accident, but it still does not make this a fair transaction. I don't think others should have to go through this as well.
~In the mean time I have contacted the knife maker and sent another email to this member.
Talked to (the knife maker) today and he remembers the knife. He stated to me that it would cost upwards of $300 to replace the handle material & refurbish the other scratches. I would like to see what you think.
Please let me know,
~I have not heard anything back from this member in 4 days.
~Understanding there are two sides to every story, I am trying to be a clear as possible. I just dont think any seller should have other members jump through hoops to fix their mistakes, honest or deceitful.
Thoughts? Opinions?
