Bad deal with SSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Outdoorsman,

I am also glad that you had a good "purchase" with SSS. But in my opinion, this thread is not about whether one should do transactions with him or not. It is about a "certain" transaction that is in question. I am sure that your purchase was fine. This is about a trade. This may sound weird, but I don't think anyone should use this thread to decide whether to do business with him or not. This is definately a specific ordeal that has now turned into a "where the hell are my knives" thread. And it is definately a learning experience.

I still have not received any emails from him. Either something personal happened (which I hope not) or he is avoiding me. I guess I am on his time and I will find out when he is ready. For all I know, he could be trying to buy time to see if he can sell them for profit.

This thread is getting pretty long and I recommend reading the whole thing. There are some pretty good points going both ways.

Mike
 
Well, finally some closure. I received both of my knives back today. Both are in the same condition as sent.

Although, SSS DIDN'T REFUND MY SHIPPING!:mad:

He also never bothered to ever email me to discuss "any suggestions". I don't care what anyone says, this was wrong.
 
SSS DIDN'T REFUND MY SHIPPING
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Well I am glad you got your knives back. So much for a no lose situation for everyone concerned. Dude, if I can find an AFO anytime soon, I will trade ya. Thats a good deal. Take the loss as a lesson on ethics and I recomend next time someone wants you to ship first, you tell them to do a search in GB&U for your feedback.
 
Completely bad taste in this whole thing. Why didn't SSS respond to this thread? Why no acknowledgement of anything?:barf:
 
sticknrun,whats up buddy!:) ask your friend and mine The Bad Guy,im ok-honest.i traded with Ray and i was totally happy!listen to this-he sent me 2 knives in exchange for 2 knives.simple enough-i sent mine he sent his.he wasnt exactly thrilled with one of mine-so as to keep my integrity and good rep-i sent him a different one to correct the problem.he shipped my other one back to me and i to him.all good in the hood.if i thought for a second there should be no inspection period i wouldnt have gotten 2 of the newest,most sought after knives out there right now-just as with all people,youve got to listen.i am NOT preaching!ill say this in conclusion-its gotta be about trust-
 
hi sticknrun,are you still interested in an afo? i have one i could trade you if you are still interested.:) jack
 
Just a quick note SticknRun, I have dealt with jack lowe in the past and he is one of the good guys. He does his research ahead of time and knows what he is doing. So I wouldn't hesitate to deal with him again:)
 
I don't sell knives, but I do buy on this forum a fair bit. My first move is to check GB&U for the sellers feed back.

SSS clearly is missing the boat to resolve this in a public forum. I see that he is still selling, and is available for comment. It is evident that he has elected to ignore this thread.
 
Looks like there are a lot of good points brought up in this thread. Apparently everything has worked out OK. Let's keep it friendly as usual in the spirit of this forum.;)
 
Worked out okay?

I can't agree with that assessment, if sticknrun didn't get his shipping costs back. He's entitled to be ticked off.

My understanding was in accordance with RGRAY's statement - no deal until both parties satisfied, etc. The cleaning bit was 'dangerous' - could well have been a desire to show good faith, but could also be regarded as presumptious or whatever. Close to the line in done deal terms, in any event. Better to have apologised like hell, left the knives alone, but ensure sticknrun suffered no loss WHATSOEVER.

On the basis of what has been said here, SSS appears inclined to suit himself, to quite a large extent. His not seeing fit to participate in this thread operates to confirm that as a general proposition, frankly. Bad research is his problem. Okay though, at the same time he shouldn't be held to the deal, on the basis of the golden rule. BUT I do think some contrition is in order, which would certainly extend to reimbursement of shipping costs at the very least.
 
I have received an E-mail from SSS and now have both sides of the store.

What I think we have here are errors on the part of sticknrun, SSS and other members.

First I think sticknrun wanted to make the deal too much and SSS wasn't that interested in the trade.

Sticknrun was willing to ship his 2 knives; without SSS shipping his at the same time.

Also, from sticknruns comments if SSS would have shipped at the same time and SSS was unhappy; sticknrun would not have returned SSS's knife, because sticknrun said he didn't offer "a three day inspection period," and "a deal is a deal."

Remember the golden rule; both parties have to be happy with the deal.

I also understand that Sticknrun was rather profane and threatened SSS if he didn't go through with the deal.

SSS felt the because sticknrun wanted the trade SSS had to see the knifes and because they had to be shipped to him; he had no obligation to return sticknruns shipping.

I agree with SSS; if you want to ship a knife to me to look at; I do not have to pay your postage for me to look at it.

SSS did offer to pay sticknruns shipping, but sticknrun refused so SSS just returned the knives.

Whether or not SSS is a dealer is up to Spark to decide and not the members.

The remarks here about SSS being a dealer and the were uncalled for.

Also, the intrusion by members into SSS For sale ads trying to trap him as a dealer and asking him to post to this thread were inappropriate.

Speaking of inappropriate; No one should post private E-mails without the consent of both parties.

This is like telephone taping without the other party knowing and then playing it for people; this should NEVER be done.

Should SSS have responded?

First you have sticknruns (angry face) Bad deal with SSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then you have sticknruns "I really need advice and opinions on a "deal" that I had with SSS."

I don't think this was a "deal."

Sticknrun's mind was already made up, wanted us to agree and he was trying to hurt SSS's reputation.

After several posts by people who had good deals with SSS, sticknrun said "I thank everyone for their contributions to this thread and I will make my final post when I get my knives back and or the AFO.

IMO, sticknrun didn't want to hear this.

Then you have TheBadGuy, post the PRIVATE E-mails and violently accusing SSS of being a dealer.

Like SSS, I don't think I would have replied either.

SSS has been buying and selling knives for 35 years and this thread isn't and shouldn't hurt his reputation.

The only mistake I see that SSS made was cleaning the knives and I believe he meant well, but you should NEVER do anything to someone's knives you don't want.
 
SSS felt the because sticknrun wanted the trade SSS had to see the knifes and because they had to be shipped to him; he had no obligation to return sticknruns shipping.
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You mentioned that SSS has been buying and selling knives for 35 years and he obviously knows how to use the computer. Why would he need to see the knives unless he was concerned with there condition. This was not the case. He failed to due research on two knives he agreed to AT LEAST check out. This to me would mean that he should have to pay shipping. So he decides not to pay shipping b/c Sticknrun was upset?? :confused:

The remarks here about SSS being a dealer and the were uncalled for.
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I couldn't disagree more. This is the GB&U forum where we are encouraged to give feedback and info on other BFC users. Everything I presented was a FACT! Not speculation. However maybe Spark is selling dealer memberships for $30 now that we have a new server. I look at is as SSS is ripping off BFC for $820 and I don't think that’s right.

Speaking of inappropriate; No one should post private E-mails without the consent of both parties.
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I think no one should post private info (IE. Address, Phone number Etc.) Until every opportunity has been given to the person first. Why not post e-mails?? In my opinion it eliminates all "He said, She said". While I agree its should not be a common practice, the individual was and is still not responding to e-mails and still had the other persons property.

Sorry Rgray, I disagree with most of what you said with the possible exception of me posting the e-mails. I think the fact that SSS wouldn't come here himself to post and explain his side of the story is a little weird regardless of anyone’s reasoning. If there was a negative post about me here I would not expect someone else to state my case for me. Maybe he just didn't want to address some of the issues brought up here.


One thing I agree with more than ever is the golden rule that you stated Rgray. Both parties must be happy. However it appears one party isn't too happy about being out money from shipping and having unauthorized maintenance preformed on his knives because someone else didn't know what he was doing.
 
RGRAY,


Where you come off saying I was profane is beyond me. I never said one word that would be considered profane. In my emails or this thread.

SSS didn't return my shipping because he is pissed that I posted here. Plain and simple. He can't even come into this thread and post for himself. You had too.

I hope SSS had fun cleaning and inspecting my knives. Hey RGRAY, why don't you ship me some of your knives to toy with and I will ship them back in a few days?

THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH MY KNIVES AND MY DESCRIPTION OF BOTH OF THEM WAS RIGHT ON. If I did a trade with someone where they felt that I left something out and they were not satisfied, I would sent their knife back in a heartbeat. But not to someone who has been selling knives for 35 years and tells me that he won't be able to make money off of them. BOO HOO.

Now I think this thread is going nowhere fast. It's a little late for SSS to start ringing in and telling his story.
 
I just reread your post RGRAY and you are way off base. A whole long post trying to make me look like a bad guy. I never agreed to ship my knife to have SSS look at it. Read the emails. Anyways, nice try. I am done with this thread.

Sticknrun,

Their wasn't a "bad guy" (other than our TheBadGuy ;)) just misunderstandings and inappropriate comments.

You came here for our opinions and then you say "I am done with this thread" when you don't like what we say? :rolleyes:

Please just answer one question.

If SSS would have shipped at the same time; would you have returned his knife if he wasn't happy after you said a deal is a deal and you didn't give a 3 day inspection?

I accidently posted in sticknrun post; I tried to quote him,SORRY
 
First I would like to say SSS sent me the E-mail several days ago and I didfn't know if I wanted to get involved any further or not, but I'm glad I did.

TBG,

SSS offered to return sticknruns shipping and sticknrun refused.

Sticknrun was upset with not getting the AFO.

Why bring up the fact that YOU think SSS is a dealer?

Didn't you try to trap him in one of his for sale ads?

I hope others respond to posting Private E-mails.

This subject has come up before and deemed very inapropriate.

Who's to say when every opertunuty has been given?

A Private E-mail should NEVER be posted?

I'm glad we agree on both parties have to be happy.

Sticknrun,

If SSS would have sent his knifwe at the same time; would you have returned it if he wasn't happy?

Didn't EEE offer to pay your postage and you refused?

It shouldn't matter why he want to return the knives.
 
Why bring up the fact that YOU think SSS is a dealer?
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I felt I had a right to add my .02 about the individual in which the thread was a about and I stand by it. I am not the only one, there are ALLOT of others that believe so also. I guess I am the only one that is bothered by it. Does that mean I care more about BFC. Who knows? If identifiying dealers skating on Gold Memberships and selling multiples of one model is no biggy, then you will not hear me mention it ever again. However I would like to hear Spark say that one.



Didn't you try to trap him in one of his for sale ads??
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Not sure how you can trap someone into saying something thats not true, if you mean did I ask for the truth, then yes I did. Again, if no one else cares, then why should I, I guess? :confused:


RGRAY: This subject has come up before and deemed very inapropriate.
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ME: Sorry Rgray, I disagree with most of what you said with the possible exception of me posting the e-mails
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:)
 
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