Bad deal with SSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RGRAY I agree with a fair amount of what you say there, but certain other points are untenable, rather obviously I'd think.

Maybe the private emails shouldn't have been posted, no. But, there they are, apparently. IF those put up are the relevant body of them, then it is abundantly clear that SSS did not do his research and accepted FULL responsibility for the situation, in consequence. Including, specifically, reimbursement of shipping costs. Sticknrun's refusal to accept THAT was no doubt based on insistence that a deal had been done. And, maybe sticknrun 'went off', etc, which SSS resented, etc. As I have already indicated, I agree with you that really, no deal had been done. BUT, SSS shouldn't then assume he has some entitlement to be 'selective' , such that an 'all bets are off' situation then existed. EVEN if sticknrun was giving him the pip by that stage, he should have just done what he'd undertaken to do and should have done anyway as a matter of reasonableness in the apparent circumstances, AS SSS clearly acknowledged himself, and moved on.

To make it very clear. NO WAY was this a 'ship if you want, at your own expense and I'll take a look' scenario, as you assert. SSS's own email is indisputable evidence of that, IF that is his email.

I can't see any relevance in the dealer stuff, other than it being retributive, which is equally silly.

As for not posting in the thread. Well it's SSS's choice, but in my opinion it will most often be advisable to put forward the opposing perspective, assuming there is one. You think it's better to email you with it, to 'pass on'? I don't think so.
 
Switched,

Very good points. They were all the original emails. I would never tamper with stuff like that.

RGRAY,

I never said that I refused the reimbursment for shipping. Like I said before you are way off base.

Buy the way, I do not want to make any enemies in this thread. Everyone has the right to express opinions.
 
switched,

I think I have to agree with all of your points.

The private E-mails shouldn't have been posted.
SSS did not do his research.
SSS should have paid for the return shipping; he offered.
No deal was made.
The dealer stuff should not have been posted; cheap shot.
Most all of the time the other party should respond, but SSS was lynched in the first two posts.

I'm not sure why SSS E-mailed me other than I E-mailed him first; to tell him about this thread.

SSS did not in any way ask me to "pass on" anything.

If SSS would have shipped at the same time; I think we would have had SSS posting this thread because sticknrun would not return his knife.
 
If SSS would have shipped at the same time; I think we would have had SSS posting this thread because sticknrun would not return his knife. [/B][/QUOTE]


Now RGRAY is making assumptions. Are you trying to make me look like a bad guy?
 
Originally posted by sticknrun

RGRAY,

I never said that I refused the reimbursment for shipping. Like I said before you are way off base.
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Sticknrun,

Yes you did.

SSS said ", I will refund your shipping when I ship these back to you, then again, I feel I owe this much to you."

Your response was "Absolutely not! I gave you all of the information that you needed on both of those knives."

Also you didn't answer my question; whould you have returned SSS's knife if he wasn't happy or not?

I think I know the answer.

IMO, you wanted the AFO too much.
 
If my posting in one of SSS's for sale threads that he should come here and respond to this thread was inappropriate then I apologize. I should have emailed him instead. I will not make this mistake again.
 
I hardly know where to begin....

Private mail is one thing, business correspondence is another thing entirely. We've been over and over that.

It is not the role of the moderators here to act as a lawyer for one party in a dispute and present his arguments for him.

Discussion of administrative issues such as identifying stealth dealers is not "uncalled for." Neither is trying to help identify them; we depend largely on the members for that. Neither is telling a party to a transaction he should respond to a thread about it.
 
Originally posted by Keith Montgomery
If my posting in one of SSS's for sale threads that he should come here and respond to this thread was inappropriate then I apologize. I should have emailed him instead. I will not make this mistake again.
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Keith,

That's why I E-mailed him.

I was surprised to get a response.

I have known you for a while and respect your opinions; would you please respond to posting private E-mails?
 
RGRAY just some final comment from me on this saga:

- fair enough on the 'pass on' bit - was in a hurry by then. I'd still say though, that people confronted with these situations would be better served saying SOMETHING, even if posts to that point have been negative, provocative, or whatever. Personally, I'm not going to reach any kind of concluded view on the basis of one person's say-so and the follow on from there, regardless of what has been said. Although, every case will depend on the circumstances of course. All I really mean is, saying nothing will generally run a serious risk of leaving the impression that the facts presented are not disputed. I appreciate there might be some hesitation in entering in, just the same, for one reason or another. But people should have a little faith in the common sense of people here, at least ultimately.

- in addition to the 'golden rule' I think it would hold people in very good stead to hold to the idea of sticking to what is fair in the circumstances REGARDLESS of provocation or whatever. Acting out of pride/ego etc is not a good idea. Just mutter the appropriate expletives while attending to what should be done on an objective basis, I'd suggest. There's nothing to compel a person to deal with a provocateur in the future, after all. (I'm not saying sticknrun met this description, incidentally - no need to go there either).
 
Originally posted by Cougar Allen
...It is not the role of the moderators here to act as a lawyer for one party in a dispute and present his arguments for him.

Discussion of administrative issues such as identifying stealth dealers is not "uncalled for." Neither is trying to help identify them; we depend largely on the members for that. Neither is telling a party to a transaction he should respond to a thread about it.
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Cougar,

Maybe you should have read this thread better.

I'm not a lawyer. :rolleyes:

This was a lot more than just identifyind an ASSUMED "stealth dealer."

Also, we have discussed SSS in the backend Forum already.

I said there were no bad guys and was not taking a side, but both sides had to be heard.

Also, I agree with you "Neither is telling a party to a transaction he should respond to a thread about", but you shouldn't ask in someones For Sale Ad.

Even Keith agreed that he should have E-mailed him.
 
In this kind of a situation I am firmly against posting private emails without the permission of both parties. It is impossible to know if all pertinent emails are included or if they have been tampered with. Besides that, these emails have been sent as private correspondense and should be keep private. I have in the past posted parts of emails from makers that describe features on a knife, but I do not consider this to be the same thing.
 
Originally posted by switched
RGRAY just some final comment from me on this saga:

...I'd still say though, that people confronted with these situations would be better served saying SOMETHING, even if posts to that point have been negative, provocative, or whatever.

- in addition to the 'golden rule' I think it would hold people in very good stead to hold to the idea of sticking to what is fair in the circumstances REGARDLESS of provocation or whatever. Acting out of pride/ego etc is not a good idea...(I'm not saying sticknrun met this description, incidentally - no need to go there either).
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switch,

Once again I agree with you totally.

Where do you think we disagree? :confused:

I hope this thread will make people stop and think before getting all mad and posting in the GB&U. :)
 
Mods, discuss this in the Back End.

This thread is closed for the time being.
 
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