Bad deal with thefly01

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[FONT=&quot]I had deal go bad with thefly01. He sold me a FG Manix for $220. I know that is a high price, but it is my favorite knife and I have long wanted a backup in case something happens to my EDC Manix. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I PayPal’d the money promptly. There was a delay in delivery because the Post Office seemed confused and shipped it back and forth across the county a few times before delivering it to me on June 29. The box was partially crushed, but sealed with tape. It was clearly empty. On advice of the postmaster, I refused delivery, and it was sent back to thefly01 without my taking possession. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]I then immediately sent thefly01 a pm, telling him what happened and asking him how he wanted to handle it. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]He replied, saying he had a receipt showing he sent a package weighing 8.5 oz. when he sent it. He said the knife must have been stolen and the problem was mine because he had shipped the knife. He said he had put no tape on the box, so the PO must have done that.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]I did not agree with his position, but I understood it and dropped the issue. But I did rate my experience on iTrader.[/FONT]

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[/FONT]I filed the following iTrader rating in an honest and neutral way:

June 29, 2009 – I left this feedback for thefly01: (negative) Received empty package for reasons unknown. Fly said problem is mine.
My extended comment: I received an empty, sealed package. I refused delivery. I don't know what happened to the knife or who is to blame. I only know that the knife was not in the package, and Fly said the problem is mine. I did not request insurance.


Thefly01 then responded by leaving negative feedback on me, which was clearly negative not because of anything I did but as revenge for my iTrader feedback.

I think thefly01 does owe me $220 or a knife because he did not get the knife to me, and he could not have packaged the knife responsibly. The flat-rate box he sent and a NIB Manix weigh 9 oz. – and that’s with no tape or packing or label. Thefly01 acknowledged that he did not tape the flat-rate box. Anyone can open that box, if the sides are not taped, in just a couple of seconds. A knife as heavy as the Manix, if left loose and shaken, will pop out the sides.

However, I know I’m not going to get either the knife or my money back. Thefly01 received the returned empty box and said there was a postal note inside telling him the package had lost its contents. He said he would file a lost-and-found notice. Fine. Maybe he will. Maybe he won’t. I have no way of knowing whether he gets the knife or not.

My biggest complaint is that he filed a negative rating of me on iTrader, even though I did everything properly and promptly and dealt with him politely. To me, his filing a negative rating of me shows poor character. I will not deal with him again.
 
So the guy sends you a $200+ knife and doesn't insure it and it's YOUR fault when something happens and it doesn't arrive. I'd love to hear thefly01's side of this but, unless he offered insurance and you refused or insurance costs were somehow your agreed upon responsibility, he owes you a refund. Period.

So, the fly01, what say you?
 
I want to see thefly's side of this. Did he really send the knife in a flat rate box without taping it or proper packing material? There is no excuse for that. Did he ask you if you wanted insurance and you refused, or did he just not bother asking you if you wanted insurance?

Even if it had been insured, if it was improperly packaged the USPS would deny the insurance claim.
 
If you are sending a high dollar item like that, you should get insurance. If you don't insure the item, you are liable for it if it gets lost. Just my opinion.
 
He did not offer insurance. I didn't ask for it. He said he did not tape the package. When it arrived, it was sealed with a layer of undisturbed tape and no way for a knife to get out. But apparently, the knife fell out or was stolen and the Post Office taped it up.
 
He is responsible for getting the item that you purchased into your hands. If he had offered insurance and you told him that you didn't want it that is a different matter, but it doesn't sound like that is the case.
 
CarpScot said:
He is responsible for getting the item that you purchased into your hands. If he had offered insurance and you told him that you didn't want it that is a different matter, but it doesn't sound like that is the case.
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That's it; the seller is responsible for making certain the buyer gets the goods he/she paid for.

End of story!!
 
I don't get it. I sell quite a few knives here. I never ask the buyer if he wants insurance, it's an autamatic. If I am shipping something worth any value, insurance gets put on it! For a few bucks, it can save alot of headaches.

As a seller, it wold suck to be out a $200 dollar knife cause of some POS thief, but I feel it is my responcibility to get it to the buyer in the condition I sold it in.

Thefly01 owes you $220.00
 
You paid, and did not receive what you bought and that's the end of it.

Proper packaging, insurance...etc. are the seller/shipper's responsibility.

He needs to return your money ASAP.
 
Bear Claw Chris Lappe said:
You paid, and did not receive what you bought and that's the end of it.

Proper packaging, insurance...etc. are the seller/shipper's responsibility.

He needs to return your money ASAP.
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This is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Insurance is a shipper's option, in case the item doesn't arrive, he can recover the money he owes the buyer for not getting the item to him. It is not a buyer's decision to get it or not.

Simple equation: I send you money, you send me a knife.
If the knife doesn't arrive, you send back the money.

It doesn't matter why the knife didn't arrive. I don't pay for a good-faith effort to send a knife. I pay for a knife. Whether by negligent packaging, theft, or a natural disaster, if the knife doesn't arrive, the buyer should get his money back.
 
Easily the most non-controversial post I've seen here in years.

thefly01 needs to man up and send you back your $220.

Whatever happened to ethics and integrity?
 
Yeah, dude owes you the money. Hands down.

A while back I sent money for a blade, I sent cash like a dumbass, and of course it didnt make it to the seller. I didnt demand he send me the knife, it was my fault cause I sent cash, and it got stole or lost. It wasnt the sellers fault at all. No differance here, its the sellers responsability to get you your goods, as its the buyers to get you your funds. He owes you a refund. Ive seen some deals where people split the cost or something, but even then...
 
j williams said:
Ive seen some deals where people split the cost or something, but even then...
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The only time I could imagine that would be sending to a foreign country where the two sides must agree beforehand on what constitutes the deal, in the absence of reliable tracking or insurance or customs allowing the item, and so on.
 
File a complaint with Paypal.If what you say is accurate,he is soley responsible to get you the knife or money back.
 
The deal is not done until the party that is buying the knife receives the knife. Period.

It is 100% the seller's responsibilty to insure that the knife arrives safely, be it with insurance or whatever.
 
Whenever I send a knife out, I insure it, no questions asked. As others have said, that is to cover my butt. If the knife doesnt get there, it's not the other person's fault. It's mine, and I want some insurance.
 
Has thefly been notified about this thread? It would be interesting to get his explanation of why he thinks he doesn't owe anything to Twindog.
 
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