Bad Experience With Hdk1

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sleyer

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Want to relay the te expereince i had with HDK1 .He had 2 gerber knives for sale.Replied to the ad saying i would take both knives.I then sent him a e-mail(5-21) telling him i want the knives and requestint payment details.
No reply to my e-mail,i then send another email(5-23) requesting payment details still no reply.I then post on the thread again requesting payment details.
This morning i check my e-mail nothing from HDk1.I log on to Bladeforums
this morning check the thread,i find HDK1 stating he's withdrawing the knives
being sold. (HE'S SORRY)
The lack of communication and the round about way he pulls the knives from the ad is total bullshit and i wont deal with him again.deal with him again.
 
It looks like HDK1 was having a hard time deciding if he actually wanted to sell the knives. Better communication would have been nice, but nothing dishonest or unethical happened here.
 
Keith I have to disagree with you ,the knives were posted for sale in april he
had reduced the price of the knives when i found the ad.That sounds like you want to sell to me.
What i belive happened was he found out he undervalued the knives and decided to pull them, but that's not how you do business.
 
Sometimes people change their mind.No one here was hurt,perhaps only slightly inconvienced from writing a few e-mails.He could have done a better job at replying to you,but that's assuming he even got your e-mails.Now you can decide not to deal with him cause he pulled his ad,but nothing happend that was worthy of posting about imho.
 
IF he received your emails, IF he did, then it was poor etiquette on his part to not reply to you. But pulling the ad, I see nothing wrong with that.
 
Guys he pulled the ad three days after i said i would take the knives.How would you be responding to this if i said i would take the knives,then got buyers remorse,and backed out of the deal.Seems to be the same.
 
I have to agree with Sleyer. I've had the same thing happen to me on another site and it's incredibly frustrating. IMO it's NOT RIGHT to pull your for sale ad after someone has agreed to buy just because you have buyer's remorse. Everyone needs to be absolutely sure of their intentions and sell when they have an offer, i.e. you should do what you say you're going to do no matter what. A for sale thread is an open solicitation and should be upheld and the goods sold to anyone that accepts that offer (unless of course they're under the legal age, it's not legal to possess in their geography, etc...).

I'm not sure the grievance rose to the level that warranted this bad feedback either, but I think this is a healthy discussion.
 
Absolutely frustrating, there's no doubt about it.

Unethical? Nah, just undecided about selling his knives at far below their resale value.

Chickenshiit? No, closer to bullshiit than chickenshiit...................
 
"WITHDRAWN- These were marked wrong- My error! Thanks-

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Last edited by hdk1 : Yesterday at 10:57 PM. Reason: Withdrawn 5-23-05"

This is what was posted/edited in the F/S ad."Chickens***" may be a bit harsh.If the man made an error when posting the price,I see no reason to get bent out of shape.If I post a brand new Sebenza for sale and mistakenly mark it $30.00 instead of the $300.00 that I meant to type,should I have to sell it to you for $30.00 because you saw it before I realized the error? There are some unethical things that happen here,but I can't see it in this case,but your entitled to your opinion.
 
sleyer said:
Guys he pulled the ad three days after i said i would take the knives.How would you be responding to this if i said i would take the knives,then got buyers remorse,and backed out of the deal.Seems to be the same.
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There is no deal unless the seller says there is a deal. All there was, was an offer on your part to purchase the knives. I understand your frustration, and it certainly would have been better for the seller to contact you right away and tell you that he had decided not to sell the knives, but he was in no way obligated to sell you the knives.
 
Thanks for the manners lesson. I cut the $h=t out of my posting.
If the guy made an order of magnitude typo in the price he posted, then that's a legitimate mistake no doubt about it and he should be cut some slack here.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
There is no deal unless the seller says there is a deal. All there was, was an offer on your part to purchase the knives. I understand your frustration, and it certainly would have been better for the seller to contact you right away and tell you that he had decided not to sell the knives, but he was in no way obligated to sell you the knives.
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I agree that if the seller really had made a typo in the pricing, or even a mistake in pricing them, then withdrawing them is probably OK, but Keith, according to the info and chronology here, the for sale post was an offer, which was accepted, in the legal world, which I was once a part of, that's pretty much a contract. Offer and acceptance=contract. If the potential buyer had made a counter-offer then the original offer is now no longer binding, but it sounds like the buyer agreed to the seller's terms, and thus accepted a legit offer.
 
I missed where the seller ever accepted the deal. In his first post Sleyer stated that he emailed his desire to purchase the knives, but never got an email in return. HDK1 also did not post on the original for sale thread that the deal had been accepted.
 
Tombstone your example of the sebenza is a little off base.I dont think anyone seeing a sebenza listed for $ 30.00 dollars, is'nt anything but a typo.and would'nt assume such. Did he under value the knives yes,but not a substantial amount.
The problem i have is, the knives had been listed since april with an original selling price ,then he lowered the price of the knives in a follow up reply.
I found the ad and said i would take the knives.Someone then posted and said that was a heck of a deal on the GS. HDK1 then realized he undervalued the knives and decided to pull them three days after i said would take them.
Thats not how you do business.
According to your analogy anyone can pull a knife from the classifieds
even after someone makes the commitment to buy.I dont think so.
This is no different than if i tell a seller i will buy his knife,then without any communication ,three day's later i tell him i changed my mind and dont want to buy.I woud deserve and expect any negative comment thrown my way.
 
ok, my contract law is rusty...but I think it's invitation to treat, then offer, then acceptance. ;) lol.

honestly, he should've emailed you to tell you that he's decided to withdraw the knives.

For me, it's always no deal until both the seller and the buyer are happy. :) That's the honour system I've embraced after being on a certain forum. That does not mean that poor etiquette is condoned.

Sometimes, a FS post is put up due to certain circumstances (say, pressing financial troubles). These circumstances may change in the course of time, and a guy may feel that he should retain his property. I say he's entitled to. But I say he should also write to the buyer who's offered to buy it and explain his position nicely. Most reasonable people would respond favourably to polite communication. And if you don't, then you're not doing the right thing either.

YMMV. :D
 
Spyken i dont know much about contract law.But i do know growing up i was taught your word means everything.And over the years i've taken some hits and had to suck it up because i gave my word.I dont see to much of that here.
 
I'm fairly new here so I should probably keep my 2 cents worth to myself.
But my wife says I never keep it to myself in the real world so why should
I here.
It seems to me like a lot of people have way too much spare time on
their hands, myself included.
 
I lower (and very rarely raise) my prices all of the time. I've pulled some knives because I decided to keep them etc. If HDK1 blew you off, that's poor etiquette. From where I'm standing, and from what I've heard, he didn't do anything wrong. If a seller or a trader decides they want to keep the knife, so be it. It's happened to me. My email has been acting goofy for a while, was his account a hotmail account?
 
I look at the emails as an electronic handshake of sorts. The would-be buyer sending an email is equivalent to sticking your hand out to seal the deal. The seller then sends an email accepting or declining. If it is an email of acceptance then that is the same as the seller shaking hands and sealing the deal.

Where I'm from the deal isn't a deal until both parties shake on it. It may be rude to leave somebody hanging, but that's all it is. IMO this doesn't even belong in this forum because it seems more like a case of hurt feelings than shady dealings.
 
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