BAD! Pohan Leu took two deposits. No knives, no reply.

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We might just make up and be friends. ��

I don't think that this will be a possibility, at least not in this lifetime; especially after you slam/defame a reputable knife maker on another forum. In that drama fest, you are severely lacking the decorum that you are bringing to the table here. It's starting to remind me of another member from FB EDC.

Poor communication (ignored emails) with an upset customer and his response to this thread.

It might behoove you, to wait for both sides of this story to put all of the facts of the table, before you make an informed decision...
 
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K, wait. You were upset over two $50 stated non-refundable down payments, and changed your initial agree'd upon materials and or design?? And possibly may have rubbed someone the wrong way. I'd say be happy it was only $100 instead of getting a "$1600" knife you would not have been happy with. Sometimes you gotta look at the bright side no?
 
Any maker with a brain knows titanium suck as a knife blade because it just too weak to be a good edge.

Now you want one of the finest custom maker who specialize about zero-edge grinding do it for you just because you paid him the cost of material? dude, that was ridiculous...

So, you're calling people like Alan Davis, Mike Snody, Warren Thomas and more, what- brainless?

Nice.

What you obviously didn't read was my post- or you'd have gotten that he knew what I wanted up front. But thanks anyway.
 
K, wait. You were upset over two $50 stated non-refundable down payments, and changed your initial agree'd upon materials and or design?? And possibly may have rubbed someone the wrong way. I'd say be happy it was only $100 instead of getting a "$1600" knife you would not have been happy with. Sometimes you gotta look at the bright side no?

Where did you get that I had changed my mind about anything at all?

I did not. But I think you're also saying that I should be happy I only lost 100 bucks...

Uh, ok. Not to mention that I never canceled anything, so should never have been in the position to ask for a refund. Or to even have to ask.
 
Poor communication (ignored emails) with an upset customer and his response to this thread.



Where did you read that? This is what I read:

But now it appears that Bako and Mr. Leu might just kiss and make up. So all seems to be well and tranquil in knifedom.

See, now your just making this more confusing than it has to be...

Pohan making 'excuses' is a polite way of saying no, I think most people would get that, and him not returning an email would most likely be due to the fact that the OP could not settle for the 'excuses' Pohan gave for not wanting to work with certain materials.

Sometimes not sending a message for a while needs to be the message when you are dealing with people who just don't get the message. (What a ridiculous sentence)

Ask the OP if he really thinks Pohan was going to keep his money....
 
So, you're calling people like Alan Davis, Mike Snody, Warren Thomas and more, what- brainless?

Nice.

What you obviously didn't read was my post- or you'd have gotten that he knew what I wanted up front. But thanks anyway.

In your OP you said you told Pohan you wanted 'something different'
Then WHEN it was your turn you told him you wanted a Ti blade......
That's not up front, cause 'something different' is not the same as Ti blade, it is very vague. It could mean you wanted mammoth ivory handles....
 
I am curious at where you saw any 'bad customer service'?

From what I read, a maker did not feel comfortable with what he was asked to do and declined.
That's normal, all makers will do that.

The customer got upset, pointed out some irrelevant things the maker does do that he felt where similar.

The customer thought Po was going to keep his $100.00 deposit.
That was never going to happen, and I am sure the OP knows that.

Did I miss anything?

I missed where you figured out where he was uncomfortable or whatever. He could have said no at any time prior, since he knew what I was after. I explained to him why I thought I was simply being blown off.

Edited for speeling. B-)
 
In your OP you said you told Pohan you wanted 'something different'
Then WHEN it was your turn you told him you wanted a Ti blade......
That's not up front, cause 'something different' is not the same as Ti blade, it is very vague. It could mean you wanted mammoth ivory handles....

No, we'd chatted about it previously, on Facebook. If you knew me from Facebook my titanium habit would be obvious. I was sure he knew that's what I wanted, but expected him to say so since it is my experience that knife makers generally don't have a hard time doing that if needed. That's where the misunderstanding has come from, apparently. But zi never "changed my mind", or "went back and forth", or any of that jive. I just waited my turn in line.
 
No, we'd chatted about it previously, on Facebook. If you knew me from Facebook my titanium habit would be obvious. I was sure he knew that's what I wanted, but expected him to say so since it is my experience that knife makers generally don't have a hard time doing that if needed. That's where the misunderstanding has come from, apparently. But zi never "changed my mind", or "went back and forth", or any of that jive. I just waited my turn in line.

You did not mention that detail in your OP, about specific discussions on FB about materials when you placed your deposit.....Maybe you should add that important detail.
 
After becoming acquainted with Pohan over Facebook, I sent him a deposit about a year ago, followed shortly by another as I decided I wanted two different types of knives.

Pohan and I exchanged a number of private messages about guns and other non-knife stuff, and eventually the knives I wanted. He knew up front I wanted something out of the ordinary. Six months later, Pohan let me know it was my turn in line, and we started going over what I wanted- thick stock blades, and perhaps a blade made from Gr.38 titanium. At that point, he started offering excuses for why he didn't want to do it but without actually saying no- it'll cost more than I quoted. It'll take too long. Thick titanium is too hard to grind. It'll throw sparks in my face. In other words, none of my concern, especially since he was posting pictures of heavy stock S90V he was grinding post heat-treat.

After a handful of emails, I said "Dude, you are no fun at all sometimes, you know that?" which was apparently a grave insult, as I have never heard from him since. Meanwhile, my second slot has certainly come up without Pohan notifying me, and I recently sent him an email saying "So???" which he ignored.

If Pohan was mortally insulted by me kidding around with him, then he should have immediately said he was not making me a knife, and refunded my two deposits. If there are things he won't do, or doesn't offer to customers, he needs to learn to say so instead of weak excuses and beating around the bush. I was tempted to get in his face and embarrass him at the recent NYCCKS, but decided to be an adult instead.

The guy's knives may be fantastic, but what kind of egomaniac treats people like that, and makes off with two deposits without a word? Nonrefundable deposits are to keep people from backing out on deals once the maker has bought supplies or done work- not so the maker can line his pockets if he decides he's not making the knives. No doubt 100 bucks' worth of blade steel and titanium is enough for him to make two knives worth 15-1600 dollars.

Shame on him.

Aka, uncomfortable working with the material....
 
Alright, I feel like I am going in circles here, and there are two stories, and one happened on FB, and it's all getting very confusing.....

It seems like you and Pohan have some type of communication going, I don't think this needed to be dragged here for that to happen from what I have read. In the OP anyway...
 
You know what, we aren't going to do this here. I'm sorry, but no more of this. We are not going to become the National Clearinghouse for all knife deals that have gone wrong. This is just wrong on so many levels. Also, for this kind of issue to become Facebook drama fodder once again is unacceptable. If a deal occurs over Facebook, Instagram, or anyforumUSA.com it needs to be resolved there. We aren't going to wage battles that we are not even a part of. Pohan isn't a paid member of the forums here, he is a registered user and the deal was not something initiated within the Exchange. I'm pulling this weed out by the roots, once and for all.

Bako, get your money back and move on. There is nothing we can do here that would be of any help to you.
 
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