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I sold a brand new Hoback A8 to MeatyBacchus478. He receives the knife and later that day informs me that the blade when CLOSED has some up and down play. I asked him to please send me a vid since I'd like to ask Jake about it but would of course refund his money once he returned it to me. He told me he was not technically inclined so couldn't make a vid. I told him to send it back for a refund.
I receive the knife and immediately after opening see it is much darker then when I sent it. It is dripping in oil. Also, the blade has a blue Sharpie mark where the lock bar touches the blade. Under closer inspection it appears the HRD may have been played with.
My guess is he received the knife, decided to tinker with it, then got scared after screwing it up and returned it to me.

Here are some pics of the knife before and after.

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AFTER:
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I sent him an email notifying him of this thread.

I wonder why someone would use a sharpie on a knife. I have lots of sharpies, no blue. just black.

hope you guys can work it out.

James
 
It is probably darker because he soaked it in some kind of oil. Why he did this is beyond my comprehension. The blue sharpie mark is a total mystery, especially if put there intentionally. I was thinking maybe he used the sharpie to get into a crevice and move some dust, but of course that's silly!!!!
 
Well, when in doubt, soak the whole thing in a bucket of oil and color it.

JCP1969 said:
I sent him an email notifying him of this thread.

I wonder why someone would use a sharpie on a knife. I have lots of sharpies, no blue. just black.

hope you guys can work it out.

James
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Thanks. Now sit back and relax a bit eh?
 
frank , reading this, did you place the blue mark to highlight the scuff caused by the rub ?? some are wondering about the mark, but you did that to highlight rub ??? correct ?? blade 100% changed, looks like no one is due any refund ! why refund someone who soaked a blade. pwerfel why would you ask about a refund ? do you feel one is due ???


frankp said:
I sold a brand new Hoback A8 to MeatyBacchus478. He receives the knife and later that day informs me that the blade when CLOSED has some up and down play. I asked him to please send me a vid since I'd like to ask Jake about it but would of course refund his money once he returned it to me. He told me he was not technically inclined so couldn't make a vid. I told him to send it back for a refund.
I receive the knife and immediately after opening see it is much darker then when I sent it. It is dripping in oil. Also, the blade has a blue Sharpie mark where the lock bar touches the blade. Under closer inspection it appears the HRD may have been played with.
My guess is he received the knife, decided to tinker with it, then got scared after screwing it up and returned it to me.

Here are some pics of the knife before and after.

BEFORE:
sO6FXc8l.jpg

oAGOLKnl.jpg

qgV1vLSl.jpg

tEYXEnbl.jpg

AQgxT88l.jpg


AFTER:
WocC84ql.jpg

Wy7Q8whl.jpg

bD0HSnFl.jpg

vPUjEPml.jpg
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I'm some what confused as I saw a similar feedback post over on USN and the buyer's response states that the seller advised him that the knife was previously owned and was received from a knifemaker and not directly from Jake (the seller claims this is a brand new Hoback A8) If this A8 was previously owned, is it possible that the problems existed from the previous owner before the seller flipped it to the current buyer?
 
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Hello all. First of all, I have dealt with Frank in the past and have come away happy.

In this case, I purchased the knife from Frank, (he advised it was previously owned by a knifemaker, who purchased directly from Jake) and received it from USPS Express a few days later, Frank provided the pictures from above and I was pumped to get this Hoback. When I opened it, I immediately noticed the sharpie mark. I did not consider this an issue as I have seen Jim Skelton, mention this remedy, as a way to help break in a sticky lockbar. I figured Frank or the previous owner did this, but again, I did not find this to be an issue.
 
I flipped it a few times and was satisfied, altough, it was not as smooth as my Kwaibacks, both Frank and I agreed on this - again not an issue. I soon noticed when the blade was closed it had up and down play. I in no way, shape, or form, adjusted anything on the knife. I did not touch any tool to any part of the knife. I am not a guy that fiddles with things I know nothing about. I asked Frank for a refund and Frank obliged. I sprayed the knife with oil, to prevent the lockbar insert from rusting in transit, (as one of my kwaiback inserts has done).
 
I did not notice the package Frank sent me to have any damage upon receiving and I did not see any damage on the knife, or else I would have mentioned this in my emails with Frank, reference the return. Frank advised the package he received from me did not have any damage either.

I can only guess that whoever Frank bought this knife from had marked it with a sharpie, and this was not noticed prior to selling to me. I can also only guess that Frank only noticed marks on the HRD after carefully looking it over upon my return. The knife was not used, carried, tinkered with. It was not handled by anyone but myself.

I am sorry this didn't work out, but I am not a dishonest person. I do feel quite cheated by the fact that I am not getting a return for a knife, which was delivered to me with an issue.
 
Mods - I would like guidance as to where to go from here.

I simply oiled a knife and sent it back. I see no damage or difference in the HRD, and neither do other friends I have contacted.

Frank has created a shipping label to priority mail me this knife, I am debating rejecting the acceptance and having it returned to him.

It would be beneficial to know who originally bought the knife to see if he / she put the blue sharpie mark on the knife.

I have had zero issues with anyone here or BF. I do see he has received negative feedback on BF in the past.
 
I'd like to reply. I have shown the knife in the condition I sent it. I have shown the knife in the condition I received it back. The rest is completely ridiculous. The knife was NOT returned in the same condition I sent to the buyer. He admits spraying the knife with oil! What intelligent knife owner does this especially to a BRAND NEW knife that you are returning for a refund! Anybody is my situation would wonder what else was done to the knife.

Again, if the knife was returned in the same condition as I sent it I would have refunded no problem.

As far as the 1 negative feedback I have on BF.... I was the buyer of a knife that was completely not as described. The seller agrees to refund admitting the knife was faulty yet tries to run out the Paypal 45 day time limit. Paypal steps in and refunds my money. He gets angry that I dared to contact Paypal and writes a negative feedback stating that I contacted Paypal. Even after admitting that the knife was faulty he resells the knife to another member WITHOUT disclosing the problem. I did pm that buyer to warn the new owner.
 
First and foremost, take any and everything from The guy you mentioned with a HUGE grain of salt. If you don't know why, do a little research on the interwebz (just my own opinion). Second, there is no need to douse a knife in oil. While it doesn't hurt the steel or Titanium, it is a huge PITA to clean up and really doesn't help to accomplish anything but make a mess. Third, get the entire history of the knife if possible, buying knives of this cost that have been through multiple owners is always a tricky situation. Be completely honest about any tinkering you did, as to not keep everyone in the dark and wondering.
 
" It is probably darker because he soaked it in some kind of oil. Why he did this is beyond my comprehension."

YEP!!!! It blew my mind!
 
Meatybacchus478 Once you covered the knife in oil you made it impossible for me to accept it back. How could I send this to Jake? Since you soaked it in oil you will have to send it to Jake. Makes sense right??
 
RevDevil said:
First and foremost, take any and everything from The guy you mentioned with a HUGE grain of salt. If you don't know why, do a little research on the interwebz (just my own opinion). Second, there is no need to douse a knife in oil. While it doesn't hurt the steel or Titanium, it is a huge PITA to clean up and really doesn't help to accomplish anything but make a mess. Third, get the entire history of the knife if possible, buying knives of this cost that have been through multiple owners is always a tricky situation. Be completely honest about any tinkering you did, as to not keep everyone in the dark and wondering.
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Zero tinkering. I sprayed it with oil to prevent the insert from getting rust. I oil all my knives, causes no issues that I'm aware of. Hoback sprays all of his knives down.

Frankp have you contacted the previous owner to see if they adjusted the HRD or added the sharpie mark?
 
frankp said:
Meatybacchus478 Once you covered the knife in oil you made it impossible for me to accept it back. How could I send this to Jake? Since you soaked it in oil you will have to send it to Jake. Makes sense right??
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A wipe with a cloth makes it un returnable to jake? He currently has three of my knives.

Comes down to, the knife was oiled and that's it. Nothing was adjusted or tinkered with, I didn't add the sharpie mark. And now you won't refund my money.
 
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