Bark River Bravo 1 - Very Torn Now.... HELP!

[Ankerson]

Here is the background information about the Bravo-1 from the man himself:

Yeah and I still doubt it even today.

 

[bld522]

They were saying some of the knives tested and Busse was supposed to be one of them, the whole thing was odd from the beginning.

It's been quite awhile since I read the original B1 posts. If I get a wild hair, I might go back and try to find the one about the retail distribution requirement. But I'm pretty sure that's why Busse wasn't considered. It sure as hell couldn't have been about the quality of Busse knives.

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[Krieger]

Yeah and I still doubt it even today.

Is this the part that is doubtful?:

They tested the knives themselves and the only two knives that passed after a couple of months of abusive use...were our Gameskeeper and a Fallkniven but I don't know the model.

Maybe Force Recon didn't test Busse or Fehrman knives .

 

[Ankerson]

Is this the part that is doubtful?:


Maybe Force Recon didn't test Busse or Fehrman knives .

The whole thing was doubtful, none of it sounded real from the very beginning.

They said that Busse was tested if I remember along with some others, but Jerry didn't know anything about it.

So if one part was not true the whole thing is doubtful.

 

[Brian Sargent]

I have a Bravo 1.

It cuts great.

I'm not surprised as to what happened to it in the test done by Noss.

That is why I have other knives from Busse, Swamp Rat, Scrap Yard and Justin Gingrich(Ranger).

If the military test did happen I doubt there was a Bussekin there ....

The Bravo1 is a knife and not indestructible.

 

[foxx]

[The Bravo1 is a knife and not indestructible.[/QUOTE]

Agreed!

 

[stanley_white]

If you want to really confirm or refute the whole Force Recon thing with the Bravo One I suggest you go to www.socnet.com and ask!

-Stan

 

[357fan]

I gotta tell you, my Bravo 1 came with a great edge, and with great geometry. If it continues to impress me over the next few months, it might replace my RC5 in my get-home-bag.

 

[kalama]

i own a bravo 1 an a fallkniven f1,i like an use both all the time,but over all i tend to like the bravo 1 better,never had any trouble with the bravo one after hard use,the fallkniven has only had some micro chips here an there but is just as good..the difference is the feeling of the handle an the warranty bark river rules on that end...dont pic one because of the drama you hear.hell get both an you be the judge

 

[Brian Sargent]

If you want to really confirm or refute the whole Force Recon thing with the Bravo One I suggest you go to www.socnet.com and ask!

-Stan

That looks like a cool site. I've never been in the military so I'm not asking them. That place seems intimidating!:thumbup:

 

[johniac7078]

those videos are bullshit. plain and simple.

 

[Brian Sargent]

Well whatever the reason was that the tested knife failed, it should not happen, period. Most companies have a thing called quality control. This should especially be true for a knife that is touted as "survival." Imagine you put this thing in your SHTF kit, the S REALLY Hs TF, and you're stuck with a bum knife. Oops, it was a lemon. Too bad.

I was actually pretty close to buying a Bravo 1 at one point due to the universal praise (some may say hype) it received. This was before the D-test was out. But what put me off was the tang:

So much material is removed inside the handle that it looks not much stronger than a stick tang. So I decided to get a Fallkniven A1 instead and haven't looked back.

If you really like the look, you can get BRKT customized Fallknivens at knivesshipfree. Yeah, an F1 is still more than a B1, but only 60$ or so.

Have you ever noticed that most Scrapyard knives are stick tangs?

They seem to be tougher than most full tangs.

That skeleton tang doesn't give up hardly any strength ... especially when the knife is used as intended.

Are the customized FK A1 and F1 balanced on the first finger like the B1?

I've also never understood how an unbreakable knife will help someone survive.

To me survival would be knowing your tools and trying to use them so they don't break.

If you have to use a knife of a design like this to the point of failure ... something is wrong.

 

[penetrator]

Have you ever noticed that most Scrapyard knives are stick tangs?

They seem to be tougher than most full tangs.

That skeleton tang doesn't give up hardly any strength ... especially when the knife is used as intended.

But it does give up strength.

Are the customized FK A1 and F1 balanced on the first finger like the B1?

Good point. I guess not. My Kraton A1 is balanced just on the guard.

I've also never understood how an unbreakable knife will help someone survive.

Let's assume this is your knife, and you have to build a shelter and a fire within 3 hours or you will freeze to death:

Does this help you understand?

To me survival would be knowing your tools and trying to use them so they don't break.

Or you might be in a situation where you have to accomplish a certain task, with the tools at hand, or something bad happens.

If you have to use a knife of a design like this to the point of failure ... something is wrong.

Yes. If you have to fight for your life, something went very wrong. That's why the last thing you need right now is a broken knife.

 

[Brian Sargent]

But it does give up strength.




Good point. I guess not. My Kraton A1 is balanced just on the guard.



Let's assume this is your knife, and you have to build a shelter and a fire within 3 hours or you will freeze to death:

Does this help you understand?

To me survival would be knowing your tools and trying to use them so they don't break.

Or you might be in a situation where you have to accomplish a certain task, with the tools at hand, or something bad happens.

If you have to use a knife of a design like this to the point of failure ... something is wrong.

I still don't get it.

Is that your picture?

That picture has been floating around for years hasn't it ?

I've owned several Carbon V Recon Scouts, Trail Masters and SRKs' .... I've beat on them ... haven't broke one and I think that's the only one I've seen broken.

Have you ?

If you are going to freeze to death in 3 hours you weren't prepared in more ways that your knife.

I've camped in the snow plenty of times and never battoned wood for the fire.

I used a saw.

So tell me .... where is the saw used to cut that log in the picture that the knife is stuck into?

That is also a really nice fire pit for that "survival" situation. :thumbup:

That picture didn't help your survival argument. lol

 

[Brian Sargent]

Well whatever the reason was that the tested knife failed, it should not happen, period.

Seems that you think the knifetests.com test is valid ... I could be wrong though.


Watch these videos ..... http://knifetests.com/scrapyardscrapper6test.html


I'll go on record as saying that whomever wedged that Cold Steel into that big a$$ log was an idiot !

 

[penetrator]

I still don't get it.

Is that your picture?

That picture has been floating around for years hasn't it ?

I've owned several Carbon V Recon Scouts, Trail Masters and SRKs' .... I've beat on them ... haven't broke one and I think that's the only one I've seen broken.

Have you ?

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Obviously you know this picture. This was to illustrate what can happen if you use a poorly designed knife. In this case, 90 degree angles between tang and blade.

If you are going to freeze to death in 3 hours you weren't prepared in more ways that your knife.

Yeah, that's why you're in a survival situation. Otherwise you'd just be out for a walk. Duh.

I've camped in the snow plenty of times and never battoned wood for the fire.

Please, not this discussion again ...

I used a saw.

Yeah, I have a Laplander saw that I use to cut down the wood. I use my knife for splitting.

Please don't reply by posting that Ray Mears video where he uses that saw to split logs ...

So tell me .... where is the saw used to cut that log in the picture that the knife is stuck into?

That is also a really nice fire pit for that "survival" situation. :thumbup:

That picture didn't help your survival argument. lol

OK, why didn't you say right away that you didn't want a serious discussion?

 

[Brian Sargent]

You really think that is a poorly designed knife and not an idiot trying to baton an enormous log?

I'm sorry man but there is no way that I can be serious when someone puts up a picture like that and is trying to tell me that is a bad knife design.

 

[Ankerson]

But it does give up strength.




Good point. I guess not. My Kraton A1 is balanced just on the guard.



Let's assume this is your knife, and you have to build a shelter and a fire within 3 hours or you will freeze to death:

Does this help you understand?




Or you might be in a situation where you have to accomplish a certain task, with the tools at hand, or something bad happens.



Yes. If you have to fight for your life, something went very wrong. That's why the last thing you need right now is a broken knife.

That same picture has been around forever.......

 

[xmtgx]

Yeah, I have a Laplander saw that I use to cut down the wood. I use my knife for splitting.

A perfect example of what NOT to do with a knife.

However Bravo 1 :thumbup: Great knife.

 

[penetrator]

Seems that you think the knifetests.com test is valid ... I could be wrong though.


Watch these videos ..... http://knifetests.com/scrapyardscrapper6test.html


I'll go on record as saying that whomever wedged that Cold Steel into that big a$$ log was an idiot !

There's a video of a trail master breaking in the same way, at the same spot. Definite design flaw.

I don't know what you're trying to tell me about the test you're posted. I know that bussekin are the best and toughest. That's why my next knife will be a busse. I don't have a need right now though, I'm a user, not a collector. I'd have gotten one instead of the fallkniven, but I didn't want to wait weeks for the right model to be available.