Bark River Knives/Mike Stewart's Reputation

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Jbmonkey

Yes, this makes sence and I agree with You!
Thanks for explaining!

I know there are two sides of the coin regarding Mike.
I have seen both sides and then made my mind up, whether I want to stay as customer or not.
I have decided to stay, but not buying every new model.
If they ever release their Scandi, I would be hoovering over the "Buy Now" button!


Regards
Mikael
 
If they ever release their Scandi, I would be hoovering over the "Buy Now" button!



Mikael, I sure hope you are hovering over that button. :rolleyes:



Hoovering (from Urban Dictionary):

1. v. To vacuum a floor or rug ;

2. v. Being manipulated back into a relationship with threats of suicide, self-harm, or threats of false criminal accusations. Relationship manipulation often associated with individuals suffering from personality disorders like Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder ;

3. v. Excessive consumption as in drug or alcohol use ;

4. v. Sexual term describing oral stimulation of the penis, vagina, or rectum ;

5. n. Derogatory term for taking advantage of others by taking more food, drugs, beverages, than paid for or borrowing things and rarely returning them.



Just sayin', my friend. :eek: :D :eek:




Big Mike
 
Forgiveness I believe is our function here in this world. The past is dead and gone.

CUSTOMER SERVICE
Over a short period of time I have seen Bark River in action and I believe they will make every reasonable effort, and sometimes more, to respond well to their customers. I have personally seen this on Bark River's sub-forum dozens of times.

"The harder you push, the harder the system pushes back."
A common mistake I see and have made is to respond to a product defect or perceived problem as a conscious effort to somehow defraud you, the customer, and to approach the small business from the very beginning as if that were the case. My guess is that any small business owner will push back, HARD. Running a business is a heck of a challenge every day and too many times a business owner sweats blood during the hard moments.

Asking reasonably can make all the difference. And if the other person seems unreasonable, well, tomorrow they may have an entirely different point of view. They are human.

HIGH VOLUME OF COMPLAINTS
Bark River apparently produces low volume runs, low for a production manufacturer that is, but they generate an amazing number of runs in a year. The variety is astounding for a small business.
My point is that there are a lot of knives produced, a higher level of perfection is expected from Bark River, and these may be the biggest reasons for the high volume of complaints, not the actual percentage of customers or knives produced.

In my amateurish opinion, Bark River is essentially producing custom, high quality knives in significant volumes for a lot less cost than custom manufacturers. We should be reasonable in our expectations, while still being the demanding SOBs we tend to be as customers.

REASONS TO BUY FROM BARK RIVER
* the consistently high quality of the heat treatment
* the most current, high quality steels for cutlery, and a variety for how and where the model knife is most likely to be used
* world class designs, going in new directions, which continue to improve over the years. Bark River is "design driven and research based". My impression is that a lot of prototypes are produced and tested before a new or modified model comes out. Also seeing the feedback on YouTube, I have concluded that the Bark River designs are world class.
* incredible variety, with a consistency of design principles and production standards that can be relied upon
* excellent overall quality, that comes from both high tech and earnest, low tech craftsmanship
* "the spa"
* the customer service
* etc.
* this is a small business that is feeding a lot of families and making it possible for other businesses to flourish as well. Don't get me flag waving, please.

Bark River knives I own in order to use them. I belong to the Bark River Knives Collection Association, not to collect but to learn from the many knowledgable, "salt of the earth" types that belong.

Am I totally pleased? No, I believe that almost all US knife makers make the knives way too thick. But then the Bark River UL Bushcrafter comes along and hope is restored.
(Part of the reason many products across many industries are overbuilt or made to underperform is because we customers abuse them and then expect the distributor or manufacturer to fix it for us. We do this stuff to ourselves.)

We are all in this world together. We all share the same wrong mind and the same right mind. Our function in this world is to forgive, and in so doing, find our freedom and deliverance. Let's get on with it.
 
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Good post Distelfink.

I only hope this thread doesn't go sideways and get derailed because I really don't feel like issuing warnings and infractions, but if it must be done then so be it.
 
Forgiveness I believe is our function here in this world. The past is dead and gone.

I generally live by and believe this statement (except for the most extreme violations). I don't have enough solid facts to pass judgement on Mike. If he has been solid and completely honest since his former indiscretions i would say don't judge the company or the owner from the past, take it for what it is now. On the other side if he is still being shady and/or engaging in illegal activities i wouldn't trust him or his company in the least. Use facts not speculation when forming these judgements/opinions.
 
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From tons of Google searches and first hand experience I think Bark River makes nice knives at reasonable prices. However, many of their handles are usually small-ish. Mike Stewart is a different story. He has a long history of being a crook.
 
I don't care if the guy does porn or drugs as long as the knives are good and the Customer Service is good.
We are hearing this all the time...about Strider (forever) and Chris Reeve (more recently). Strider has the best CS that I've ever seen. It's great. Strider folders are great. Obviously, so are Chris Reeve knives and their CS. Somebody needs to get some air.
I'm not shopping for personality. Do you do this when you buy a car? Is this why you ride a horse?
Sonnydaze

I have no comment on Bark River but i will say the character of the individual/company that i am going to buy from means as much as the product (outside of an extreme situation) example, if Michael Vick was a spokesperson for Ford, I'd buy a Chevy. I won't watch movies that Roman Polanski made (Rosemary's Baby) and one of the reasons I became such a huge Spydie fan was from talking with Sal years ago. don't support douchebags
 
There's also this commentary on a video of Bark River's factory. It's agreed that most of the issues with Bark River knives are caused by improper factory grinding, which is shown in the video linked in the description.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io38wpBLNfg

Please enlighten us on how there is improper factory grinding, aside from Cliff Stamp saying so, a man who has a controversial past not unlike as whats been talked about here. If grinding after heat treat is the answer, then the entire knife industry has been doing it wrong for well over a hundred years.

Some people just have an axe to grind, which leaves me wondering....do they do it before or after heat treat? ;) :D
 
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If grinding after heat treat is the answer, then the entire knife industry has been doing it wrong for well over a hundred years.
Just a quick derail. Many factory knives are ground after heat treating. I've been to the blade grinder and seen the blades. Derail over.
 
I think you'd have to come up with a stronger argument than that you don't like Cliff Stamp, or you've seen other knifemakers making the same mistakes. :D

Those kind of arguments aren't very compelling, considering what he's talking about.
 
I think you'd have to come up with a stronger argument than that you don't like Cliff Stamp, or you've seen other knifemakers making the same mistakes. :D

Those kind of arguments aren't very compelling, considering what he's talking about.

Reading comprehension, please read again. Where did I say I didn't like Cliff Stamp. Are you saying The entire knife industry is making mistakes?
Cliff Stamps past is controversial. The knife industry, both production and individual knifemakers do some grinding after heat treat.
 
That's not a very stong argument either. ;)

I find both Cliff and Mike interesting and entertaining players in the knife world. I'd just like to hear a decent reply to Cliff's comments.

Ain't heard any yet.
 
shunsui, many of us made our comments on Cliff Stamp at the time, for him to answer. He ignored us. Re-running those arguments won't help now.
 
You're right. No use beating a dead horse. Both Cliff and Mike are moderators in their own happy, little, forums, I'll do some research and see what's out there.
 
Honestly really appreciate the info here. Im not one to take others word or opinions as gospel. They do give line or coarse for research however. I had a BR Bravo 1 I thought was great. Never used it much. I did have an issue w/ the sheath, exposed rivet on the inside scratching the blade. When I contacted CS, I thought it a little pricey for how much they wanted to ship, as well as they wanted to have the knife returned along w/ the sheath. I decided not to send and ended up selling the blade. I also thought I heard of some of the knives being sold as a certain steel which was later discovered as not to be the steel marked. Honest mistake perhaps, they only marked the boxes back then, not the blades themselves. Not sure if that has changed.

Cliff had come on another board, beating the snot out of a particular folder. A Manufactures board. Seemed to be fairly honest in his approach, however also seemed to be really obtuse and stubborn. Im new to the addiction and never heard of the dude. I ended up being a dick and sarcastic to him because of his perceived intentional thick hardheadedness displayed because he perhaps didnt like the knife and was looking shoot holes in it for only that reason. I had come upon some of his youtube stuff and found him knowledgeable and straight forward. I thought I had judged to harsh originally. IDK, jury is still out. W/ this latest info, seems to confirm my initial opinion. He had an ax to grind and was biased. Will continue to seek truth, in all things.
 
...Im not one to take others word or opinions as gospel...

...I heard of some of the knives being sold as a certain steel which was later discovered as not to be the steel marked...



Now that's funny. :rolleyes:


I guess you where a little short on research when it comes to that issue. :eek:




Big Mike
 
Whats so funny about that? No conclusions are drawn in my post. What is it you are implying, or assuming?

Do you know of the steel discrepancy issue I was referring? I never stated one way or the other, or that I had researched that particular, only that I heard the rumor. Any info on that situation would be most appreciated.

Thanks in advance Mike.
 
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