Bark River- who’s fault?

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shane45-1911 said:
Probably. And it's far less than tens-of-thousands. Don't make up numbers to try to justify your defense of a liar, thief, con-man and criminal.
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So you don't think that Bark River has at least 20K, 30K, or more customers?...over the stretch of the global economy?

Isn't that the very definition of "tens-of-thousands"?
 
Alone said:
No.

Thus far, they've produced quite a few good knives for me. Why would I stop dealing with them?
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Because when you choose to support dishonest, criminal knife makers, you do all of us a dis-service who enjoy this hobby. I suppose you support all the knock-off makers too. Spend your money however you like - your true colors are showing.
 
Alone said:
So you don't think that Bark River has at least 20K, 30K, or more customers?...over the stretch of the global economy?

Isn't that the very definition of "tens-of-thousands"?
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I KNOW they do not. It came out in the hearing regarding the number of knives Stewart has sold.
 
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shane45-1911 said:
Because when you choose to support dishonest, criminal knife makers, you do all of us a dis-service who enjoy this hobby. I suppose you support all the knock-off makers too. Spend your money however you like - your true colors are showing.
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Some people don't care if they support a dishonest criminal, so long as they get theirs.

Birds of a feather and all that.
 
hank_rearden said:
Seems I offended a number of makers/dealers/owners with my post. I still think the knife's configuration is at the delicate side. Of course, you can make a real beater costing less than $17 out of thinner stock, of softer steel and temper, and that knife will be fine. Serious damage can be fixed with a grinder or even by pounding with a hammer against and anvil. But apply the same treatment to a $200+ knife? Nah.
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What would be the intended use of such a knife with a fairly thick blade and approximately a foot of length? If it’s too delicate for chopping, what would one use it to do?
 
All of the major retailers of knives seem to be selling BRK. Let's boycott them also for supporting criminals
 
chalby said:
All of the major retailers of knives seem to be selling BRK. Let's boycott them also for supporting criminals
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That is a slippery slope. They are allowed on the exchange here, along with strider and survive...

And no, not all of them do. Arguably the biggest, knifecenter, does not.
 
Over several years, I bought 5 BRKs, unaware of the drama. 2 of them failed miserably with very light use and were culled from the herd. That is a 40% fail rate on knives that average $200+, simply unacceptable, made more bitter by the fact that us knuts dropping that coin already have better, less expensive users. The average consumer balks at this price point; only by dropping down this rabbit hole do we start stretching our expending limits. That, or newbies with money to burn that fall for their designs.

They do make some nice eye candy, and as with anything else, eye candy sells. Problems float their dead bodies when people decide to use their eye candy as a knife is meant to be used. Some work, some do not. Disregarding bad experiences from many customers just because your knife seems to do ok is akin to covering your ears and screaming na na na while walking away. It is par for the course when internet flame wars burn at your precious, that cost you a lot, refusing to believe the taint.

Too many good brands out there for way less money. You could even try your hand at modding/pimping your blades, then sit back and enjoy the fruits of your labor.
 
chalby said:
All of the major retailers of knives seem to be selling BRK. Let's boycott them also for supporting criminals
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Alright I'll ask you the same question that went unanswered by the other apologists. Why do you suppose people are calling out BRK? Is it just because they are a bunch of internet meanies? Or is it just barely possible that they are telling the truth that there are significant problems with the knives and that the maker has exhibited some pretty shady behavior at best?

There's no need to get hysterical. This is fairly simple. No retailer has to be boycotted. If you don't like BRK vote with your dollars and don't spend them there. Warn others and let them make their own decisions. If you are convinced that they are good products and don't mind supporting shady characters then spend your dollars there. Retailers will get the message one way or the other.
 
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zuluninja said:
Over several years, I bought 5 BRKs, unaware of the drama. 2 of them failed miserably with very light use and were culled from the herd. That is a 40% fail rate on knives that average $200+, simply unacceptable, made more bitter by the fact that us knuts dropping that coin already have better, less expensive users. The average consumer balks at this price point; only by dropping down this rabbit hole do we start stretching our expending limits. That, or newbies with money to burn that fall for their designs.

They do make some nice eye candy, and as with anything else, eye candy sells. Problems float their dead bodies when people decide to use their eye candy as a knife is meant to be used. Some work, some do not. Disregarding bad experiences from many customers just because your knife seems to do ok is akin to covering your ears and screaming na na na while walking away. It is par for the course when internet flame wars burn at your precious, that cost you a lot, refusing to believe the taint.

Too many good brands out there for way less money. You could even try your hand at modding/pimping your blades, then sit back and enjoy the fruits of your labor.
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How did your knives fail?
 
I really despise this seemingly new type of “boycotting” that people somehow find acceptable. Instead of just boycotting a maker, or brand, or product (perfectly fine), you feel like it’s your prerogative to harass, annoy, and “call out” third-party retailers who are just trying to run a business or earn a livelihood because they stock a product you don’t like.

Are you going to also harass the owner of your local grocery store for stocking Kit Kat bars because you don’t like the Nestlé company?

Ok, I’m done ranting. Went on a bit of a tangent there!

P.S. I think all of the criticisms of Bark River here are spot on and people should absolutely encourage other end users to spend their money elsewhere.
 
brancron said:
I really despise this seemingly new type of “boycotting” that people somehow find acceptable. Instead of just boycotting a maker, or brand, or product (perfectly fine), you feel like it’s your prerogative to harass, annoy, and “call out” third-party retailers who are just trying to run a business or earn a livelihood because they stock a product you don’t like.

Are you going to also harass the owner of your local grocery store for stocking Kit Kat bars because you don’t like the Nestlé company?

Ok, I’m done ranting. Went on a bit of a tangent there!

P.S. I think all of the criticisms of Bark River here are spot on and people should absolutely encourage other end users to spend their money elsewhere.
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This, if people want to buy Bark River, let them buy Bark River. When people realize all the shady shit that Mike Stewart has been involved in, then let them vote with their wallets. Who do these people think they are trying to boycott a dealer because you don't like a product they have in stock, and trying to force a reply by @ing their account is just gross. The bladeforums lynchmob is as sad as it is laughable. Who gives a shit if someone else wants to buy Bark River, you can laugh or shake your head at their misfortune and move on your life. More importantly, why hurt the folks just trying to run a business who probably already have tens of thousands of dollars of product in inventory all because a few people on a small forum on the internet deem they don't like a product?
 
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I mean… picking on ESEE means you don’t understand the BS those guys deal with- they put out an amazing warranty that essentially covers willful destruction of their product. YouTubers go nuts for that and use it.

If you’ve used a knife enough to wear off the coating on an ESEE, you’ve freaking got your money’s worth. Go buy a new one and show a company some love. Half the price of BRK, repeatable quality, bomb proof, and yeah- you’ll catch some flack like that Jerk did when he complained to Perrin about rust showing up on the bevel of his 1095 junglas. (What I’d refer to as an idiot).

BRK is broken more fundamentally than a bad attitude over trivial wear and tear.

Quite frankly, I like Perrin’s style; his confidence in his product is so high that he knows informed individuals will continue to buy his product. Let the chaff be set to the wind.

BRK is pompous and deceptive. Don’t throw ESEE in with that crowd.
 
Twisting a blade or wiggling it obviously has the potential to damage the blade, without seeing what you actually did, it wouldn't be fair to say one way or another definitively if there's a fault here or defective blade. There's been some discussion regarding edges overheating on blades due to carelessness in production. I would hate to be running a business and find out I had someone purposely lacking in performance over some personal problems. Hopefully everyone working over there takes pride in their work otherwise people will continue to make reviews when their knives fall apart. I had my own personal experience with a Bravo one having the Corby bolts come out after some batoning. So that was disappointing, I thought I used the knife what it was intended for but it fell apart. I'm glad I wasn't out camping in the middle of nowhere when it failed. I didn't bother sending it back after going online and finding some unfortunate stories of former customers being completely mistreated after coming forward, which was a tremendous turn off. If a customer is using a tool for it's intended purpose ( not torture testing with cinder blocks) and they suffer a failure, they shouldn't be ridiculed for sharing their issue. If a owner has QC issues, they should tackle the issue immediately and fire whoever is the culprit behind the QC issue. Some might say it's bad management and arrogance, but if that person is family or friend and you're keeping them aboard knowing they screw up, that is wrong... If they're hurting your business, it's a no brainer. But people will run their businesses how they please, customers be damned at times.
 
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