Bart Moore Bowie Knife - Replica by Franklin Mint

kvaughn said:
After seeing the C.S. thread, I dug out my Carbon V T.M. I've had it for 30+ years I guess.
I hand convexed it and beat the snot out of it when I was in the woods a lot. Not as much now. Still a great big old Bowie.
Do you think there's much market for used C.V. T.M's?
I was thinking about giving it to my son as I don't do the big knife stuff too much anymore.
Got a KLVUK khukri for that when I do.
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There has always been a market for all variations of the CS TM. But with the future of CS products uncertain now and depending on how the new owners go with the model, your TM may become more "sought after".
 
Vince, That Franklin mint stuff is trash no matter how "substantial" you ignorantly feel it is.

It's always entertaining to see the next meltdown in it's infancy.
 
der_vincent said:
Eveled, Thank you ... you have some very interesting views, i appreciate your input a lot.

In fact, i appreciate every Comment.. every opinion is valuable. Have a good December Holiday, Stay healthy Fellows :)
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Well, the important thing is that you're happy with your new knife, anyway, regardless of what anyone else thinks.
 
You guys are mean :)

The Ontario Bagwell’s were a disappointment in the steel choice and not what Bagwell intended

they bend easily but I guess that’s better than breaking :)

If you like the big guarded bowie designs there are a lot of good makers that can make you a proper example that distal taper and a proper heat treat that will last you a lifetime

hell Bagwell is still taking orders and when it comes to pretend what Jim Bowie’s knife looked like I’ve also been a Muso fan



Bagwell’s Alamo Bowie


 
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der_vincent said:
... but it makes them similar and comparable, since they share at least 2 important features.

...Erik
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All knives are similar and comparable, they are all knives! But. the usual and relevant comparisons are blade steels, heat treatments, cutting performance, edge retention, ease of sharpening, comfort in use, quality of sheaths, structural integrity and balance. None of which applies to your Franklin thing, because it is not a knife, it is just a decorative thing that happens to outwardly look like a knife when viewed from certain angles. At least when more reputable companies like Denix produce wall hangers, they tell us that they are made of pewter, make no representation that the things are functional guns or knives and price them accordingly The Franklyn Mint were to call itself a knife company it would be criminal organization, pedaling low quality products which are entirely unfit for the implied purpose, to an unsuspecting public. Its primary crime would be false and misleading advertisement of defective and unfit products.

n2s
 
der_vincent said:
recently i got a replica of the Bart Moore Bowie Knife. I like it a lot ... it is a substantial knife with a good grip and a good blade-catcher guard :
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That you like it is all that matters.
I carried and enjoyed knives from 1956 or so until about 1998 before internet forums came along and told me what I had carried in my pocket for 40 years wasn't a knife.

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not2sharp said:
relevant comparisons are blade steels, heat treatments, cutting performance, edge retention, ease of sharpening, comfort in use, quality of sheaths, structural integrity and balance.

n2s
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Well ...

- Criteria "Blade Steel and Heat Treatment": OK, here you are right, of course.

- Criteria "cutting performance, edge retention, ease of sharpening, comfort in use": this i will try out and find out myself in time... it is not my only large fixed blade, i have some possibility for comparison. Although "Edge retention" might be more important for an edc knife that is used daily, but not so much for a fighting knife that does not come to use regularily (...hopefully).

- "quality of sheaths" : is not a valid factor. Busse knives come without sheath.

- "structural integrity and balance": is really great in this FM Moore Replica.

Fellows: i am far from claiming that Franklin Mint should be considered a serious Knife Maker. I know it is not.

When i bought the Moore Replica, i was aware that it is a Replica. My expectation was that the Knife has authentic weight and Dimensions and a good Handling, a good Grip. And this expectation was fulfilled. - i did not intend to use this FIGHTING Knife Replica in an actual Knife fight. Neither i have any plans for batoning or other bushcraft stuff with that Replica.

I like this Knife, because it is substantial.
Period.
 
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I like this Knife,.[/QUOTE]

that’s all that really matters.
 
JParanee said:
You guys are mean :)

The Ontario Bagwell’s were a disappointment in the steel choice and not what Bagwell intended

they bend easily but I guess that’s better than breaking :)

If you like the big guarded bowie designs there are a lot of good makers that can make you a proper example that distal taper and a proper heat treat that will last you a lifetime

hell Bagwell is still taking orders and when it comes to pretend what Jim Bowie’s knife looked like I’ve also been a Muso fan



Bagwell’s Alamo Bowie


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I wonder if that Lurquin Muso comes in 4 easy payments!?
 
The Ontario was marketed as a collectible, so in that way it's a lot more like the Franklin mint than some may want to believe. Who needs a blade catcher guard, other than to make a collectible cool. The knife was part of a series of Ontario collectibles. I think Vincent's comparison is neat.

Franklin Mint makes a lot of people happy. A lot of people buy GEC knives as collectibles, never to be used, but at least a Franklin Mint won't rust ;)
 
not2sharp said:
... They have been a plague on the collector community; since many of us have received them as gifts from well meaning, but knife illiterate relatives. ...
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I've been burned by this irony more than once, and not just with Franklin Mint.

My wife once bought me a a big 'ol folder with a painted bear and "brass" accents. I instantly identified it as a piece of ultra-cheap mass-produced junk and my heart sank with the thought of how much she might have spent on it. I put on my best smile. For her sake, I carried it (in addition to another knife) until the "brass" rubbed off . That was also the moment that I decided to get her as far into knives as possible. So it wasn't a total loss. Now she carries a Blur. :)

I feel like we need a PSA or something. Almost anybody can both appreciate and be well-served by a SAK or Opinel. There are special editions and such. They can get and give a lot more bang for their buck.
 
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