Basic-10, Choil or No Choil?

Basic-10, Choil or No Choil?

  • Choil

    Votes: 75 55.6%

  • No Choil

    Votes: 60 44.4%
  • Total voters
    135
I voted no choil.

I like the look better and I doubt I will ever choke up on a big blade like this cause I usually have more than one knife with me (why else would they make so many sizes?).

Its great we get a choice though isn't it?
 
56% Choil
44% No Choil

Much closer than I thought it would be; with 90+ votes... I figured the 'Choil' would have a 20%-30%+ advantage. :confused:
 
13ninjas said:
I'm jealous! Wanna trade me jobs? You might like teaching kids math more than grinding knives! :D
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The damage I would do to the youth of America if I was in charge of math class would be horrible. I think I will just stick to what I do best.........................DRINKING.



Garth
 
Jerry Busse said:

I, obviously, love choils. They make it much easier to sharpen all the way to the back of the edge and they allow for choking up further onto the blade. This in turn offers better blade control when doing finer whittling or up close cutting with your blade. So, in that way they make a large blade much more versatile for a variety of applications.

On the other hand, when I was making the video for the original SHBM and attempting to cut 12 pieces of free hanging 1" diameter hemp rope, the bundle was so wide and my aim was off by just enough, that the choil hung up on the last 1/4' inch of the bundle and I ended up ripping my shoulder completely out of the socket. Hurt like a mofo. . . On the upside, I had to drink for 3 months straight to get past the pain, so it did have its benefits!

In the end, there really is no definitive answer to which is better. It really just comes down to which is better for you and your intended application.

Let's Drink!

Jerry

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Hey Boss! Don't try to figure out which is better.....just get both! :D

Garth Reckner said:
I'll be right there Boss. I've got the ice ready. I may even share some Cabo Wabo with you.;)

I LOVE MY JOB:thumbup:


Garth
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Hey Garth! You gonna bring that CW down to the Creek? I may need some after Thursday's pre-Show, Friday's frenzy and Saturday's seventeen hours. :eek:


∞Drew∞
 
Drew if I am not mistaking, aren't you the one who is usually sharing beverages with us? Is it our turn to share with you? lol..."Lexi, it tastes sweet and goes down very smooth, just try a sip." That was the day I realized our definitions of smooth are very, very different!
 
Lexi said:
Drew if I am not mistaking, aren't you the one who is usually sharing beverages with us? Is it our turn to share with you? lol..."Lexi, it tastes sweet and goes down very smooth, just try a sip." That was the day I realized our definitions of smooth are very, very different!
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No more Scotch for Lexi. Maybe a nice Chianti? :)

Garth Reckner said:
I got you covered bro.


Garth
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Thanks Bro! I think I'll chase the CW with Amy-0 Cheesecake! :thumbup: :D


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Garth Reckner said:
... after playing with both over the last few days the no choil is really growing on me...
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Hey Garth, if you have time between CW cocktails, I'd love a little elaboration about your opinion...

Is the no choil growing on you because of a functional or chopping-related advantage? Because of how it feels? Looks?

Choil vs. no choil debate is driving me a little crazy!

Thanks...
 
If you need a choil to choke up on, you need a better handle or a shorter knife, that simple.
 
Jerry Busse said:

I, obviously, love choils. They make it much easier to sharpen all the way to the back of the edge and they allow for choking up further onto the blade. This in turn offers better blade control when doing finer whittling or up close cutting with your blade. So, in that way they make a large blade much more versatile for a variety of applications.

On the other hand, when I was making the video for the original SHBM and attempting to cut 12 pieces of free hanging 1" diameter hemp rope, the bundle was so wide and my aim was off by just enough, that the choil hung up on the last 1/4' inch of the bundle and I ended up ripping my shoulder completely out of the socket. Hurt like a mofo. . . On the upside, I had to drink for 3 months straight to get past the pain, so it did have its benefits!

In the end, there really is no definitive answer to which is better. It really just comes down to which is better for you and your intended application.

Let's Drink!

Jerry

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Thanks for the explanation, it actually made me think :eek:

Skimo said:
If you need a choil to choke up on, you need a better handle or a shorter knife, that simple.
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Options are never a bad thing, lighten up :thumbup:
 
Skimo said:
If you need a choil to choke up on, you need a better handle or a shorter knife, that simple.
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:confused: Wouldn't a choil make a larger knife more versatile, so you don’t necessarily need a smaller knife? I think Jerry made his choil-argument pretty clear and well articulated.
 
Like Jerry said, it depends mostly on your application. You can't get any closer to your work than with a choil--heck, you can even get over the work. I especially like ESEE choils, because they provide a comfortable surface area for the finger. Another thing I like about a choil is that having the guard between my index and middle fingers gives me firmer axial control over the blade. That, however, can be replicated with the right handle design--as is done on many folders (e.g., Kershaw Skyline).

I don't see how a choil can interfere with the function of a chopper. On the other hand, trying to use a chopper for delicate work--choil or no--seems kind of silly.

You can easily smooth the transition from choil groove to blade edge to eliminate snagging, so I don't personally think that's a reason not to have a choil. The best reason NOT to have a choil, in my opinion, is to retain blade edge when you want your finger protected by the guard. For example, a combat knife used for thrusting probably ought not to have a choil. Also, I didn't want my young daughters to expose their index fingers while cutting, so I got them choiless knives (Fallkniven F1 and Cold Steel Mini Hunter).

Of course, aesthetic appeal and personal comfort will be important factors...
 
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Reasoned1 said:
You can easily smooth the transition from choil groove to blade edge to eliminate snagging, so I don't personally think that's a reason not to have a choil. The best reason NOT to have a choil, in my opinion, is to retain blade edge when you want your finger protected by the guard. For example, a combat knife used for thrusting probably ought not to have a choil. Also, I didn't want my young daughters to expose their index fingers while cutting, so I got them choiless knives (Fallkniven F1 and Cold Steel Mini Hunter).
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The choil is a snag point, both in cutting application and in chopping where small twigs are present, as during brush clearing or tree limbing. Aside from wasteing energy by making you take another swing and by reducing the force going to the edge when it snags, it can also be dangerous if your putting a lot of force behind your swing This is expecially true if your working overhead or at a distance where your arm is extended, putting your elbow and your shoulder joint into a perilously stretched position. I.E. Jerry's example:

Jerry Busse said:
On the other hand, when I was making the video for the original SHBM and attempting to cut 12 pieces of free hanging 1" diameter hemp rope, the bundle was so wide and my aim was off by just enough, that the choil hung up on the last 1/4' inch of the bundle and I ended up ripping my shoulder completely out of the socket. Hurt like a mofo. . . On the upside, I had to drink for 3 months straight to get past the pain, so it did have its benefits!
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