Basic 7 vs. BJ?

Will York said:
......if I were heading out on an open-ended trek across any outback or post-nuclear winter landscape (my ultimate fantasy--I'm not big on zombie slaying, but give me the apocalypse and I'm happy :p)...
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I think you should start a picture thread about a fixed blade; a folder; and perhaps a gun, being selected for an apocalyptic environment....Could be fun…:thumbup:
 
BigLebowski65 said:
I think you should start a picture thread about a fixed blade; a folder; and perhaps a gun, being selected for an apocalyptic environment....Could be fun…:thumbup:
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I'd have to go with the Basic 7 for the side knife and the Cubera. If I needed a gun, probably a Benelli M4. I don't own the M4 and since it's not kosher to publish Cubera photos, wouldn't be much of a picture thread I'm afraid. :)

Here's a stock photo of the M4--it's the USMC's standard-issue tactical shotgun (love the ghost ring setup):

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Will York said:
I'd have to go with the Basic 7 for the side knife and the Cubera. If I needed a gun, probably a Benelli M4. I don't own the M4 and since it's not kosher to publish Cubera photos, wouldn't be much of a picture thread I'm afraid. :)
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I do own an M4 and let me tell you, it’s one heavy son of a gun to drug along.....Have to go with Umnumzaan as my folder, really like it.

Anybody else?
 
I have an old Benelli M1 Super 90 with the 8 shot magazine and an old Panorama MkIII heads up display sight (for civi comps) ... I like the mag tube modification on the M4 so you can strip the spring by unscrewing the end cap ... the old model requires a full strip down to release the spring ... which is unduly time consuming and wears parts unneccessarily to simply release the tension on the spring when stored in the safe ... the new model enables a much quicker way to do this and to re-assemble to get it running. Aside from that though they have the same main features.

My Benelli has never jammed or let me down :thumbup:

If I were living off the land I would take this and my suppressed Ruger .22 pistol and my Basic 9 and one of my Leatherman Multitools.
 
PeterPHWS said:
I have an old Benelli M1 Super 90 with the 8 shot magazine and an old Panorama MkIII heads up display sight (for civi comps) ... My Benelli has never jammed or let me down :thumbup:

If I were living off the land I would take this and my suppressed Ruger .22 pistol and my Basic 9 and one of my Leatherman Multitools.
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My compliments, Peter—a thinking man’s kit and battery. Very nice. :thumbup:

PeterPHWS said:
... suppressed Ruger .22 pistol...
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I want one! :eek:



BigLebowski65 said:
I do own an M4 and let me tell you, it’s one heavy son of a gun to drug along...
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That’s certainly a salient point. One thing I like about Peter’s kit .22 is that it potentially saves weight in shotgun shells, which are heavy and bulky. For years I’ve carried an old short-barreled 12 ga. Mossberg pump, fitted with a sling, as my preferred “all things considered” gun, because with slugs it will stop any bear on the planet, and if you come up on some quail or grouse you have your dinner. But there’s a lot you can do with a .22 in terms of collecting small game -- and self defense, for that matter. Obviously, Peter’s multi-tool is an indispensable item, also, and can eliminate the need for a dedicated folder. Excellent thinking here.
 
All good points made.
How about in reverse? A suppressed .22 long gun ( I have a Cz 453) with a .45 or perhaps a 10mm handgun. An argument could be made for an aluminum frame .44 magnum revolver.
Am not sure how much use you may get out of a multitool out in the boonies, but why not?

And how about this setup? Accuracy International .308 suppressed. Not my picture, scavenged it at sniper’s hide forum:
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BigLebowski65 said:
All good points made.
How about in reverse? A suppressed .22 long gun ( I have a Cz 453) with a .45 or perhaps a 10mm handgun. An argument could be made for an aluminum frame .44 magnum revolver.
Am not sure how much use you may get out of a multitool out in the boonies, but why not?

And how about this setup? Accuracy International .308 suppressed. Not my picture, scavenged it at sniper’s hide forum:
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Nice AI, but now you're talking serious weight by the look of it.

Sure, I think a .22 rifle/big bore revolver/pistol could work. Maybe even just the aluminum/titanium-frame revolver--I've killed grackles at 10-15 yards with rat shot from a .44 mag. I dunno, though. My experience with a good short-barrel shotgun biases me toward that set-up. It's just a whole lot of controllable power and versatility in a very rugged format. Comfort zone for me.
 
I think this AI AW is about 13 lb.; you are right, too much weight to lug around without a specific purpose.
I think I agree, a shotgun and a suppressed .22 handgun seems like the most logical combo.
And since we successfully derailed this thread, I’d like to nominate a Beretta 87 Target as the designated .22 pistol. With its 6” barrel and a subsonic round, I can consistently touch a chicken egg up to about 50 yards from a prone position.
 
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I lean with Will and Peter, my BOB, or E&E kit have always included a .22 pistol.


Currently a Ruger MKIII, & there's a Mossberg 590 sitting next to it.


The .22 will put food in the pot, and a 3" sabot will stop most anything I'll run into round here.
 
If you are looking for one of these Will ...

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I believe there is a guy in Georgia who does them ... Horn Dog knows who ... but I assume you can get them many places where the State laws allow their use.

The handy thing with the Ruger is that it is an integral design ... so it is not like a pistol with a can on the end which balances poorly ... these balance great, are very compact and very accurate. Eley sub-sonic's make them extremely quiet but you can use supersonic ammo for more range if you need to ... it is still quiet but you hear the supersonic "crack". As you pointed out a brick of 500 rounds weighs in light compared to any other calibre and a couple of spare mags is all you need in case a "defensive" role is required. The only changes I would consider is changing the rear and front sight to a set of smaller profile adjustable sights with illuminecent tubes/dots for low light use ... Novak's are my preferred option ... but as they are I still like them a lot :thumbup:

For those interested in the Basic line of knives the Basic 9 is also ideal for me in the same way ... it is light and compact ... and can chop remarkably well ...

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it easily fulfils the role of a great camp knife ...

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and it can do delicate work if needed ...

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well able to prepare the finest of tinder and I have had no problems at all butchering game with it either ... a great "all round" knife :thumbup:
 
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BigLebowski65 said:
... I’d like to nominate a Beretta 87 Target as the designated .22 pistol. With its 6” barrel and a subsonic round, I can consistently touch a chicken egg up to about 50 yards from a prone position.
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That's nice shooting--every bit of accuracy you'd need to keep food in the pot. You have some very nice gear there, BL. :thumbup:

jimmyjones said:
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Currently a Ruger MKIII, & there's a Mossberg 590 sitting next to it.

The .22 will put food in the pot, and a 3" sabot will stop most anything I'll run into round here.
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A man after my own heart of hearts...


PeterPHWS said:
If you are looking for one of these Will ...

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I believe there is a guy in Georgia who does them ... Horn Dog knows who ... but I assume you can get them many places where the State laws allow their use.

The handy thing with the Ruger is that it is an integral design ... so it is not like a pistol with a can on the end which balances poorly ... these balance great, are very compact and very accurate...
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That is a super-cool little rig. Thanks for that, Peter. I need to look into that. Texas laws prevented use of suppressors when I lived there, but I’m thinking New Mexico may not be so restrictive—I’ll check. I’ve had Ruger .22 auto’s in the past, and have been consistently satisfied with them.

Also, I’ve always loved the B9 in conjunction with a 5” blade like a B5/S5LE for camp work, although I’ve shifted to the B11 for now. On the other hand, finding the right one large knife for extended pack-and-carry is a very personal thing. The difference between the B7 and B9 is not that great in some ways, but in terms of how the knife handles and performs for you as a do-it-all compromise, in a knife you may be using for several days or longer at a stretch, those particulars become very significant. I certainly respect your choice of the B9, and for me, it’s definitely the B7—just big enough and blade-heavy enough for effective chopping/batonning and not too much blade for all-around utility--including point work. It also slips easily into a pack, if I'm around people I don't know and elect not to carry it on my belt.

Here’s some “kit” I keep handy. The pistol is an eight-shot titanium S&W .22 snubby with 3 rat-shot, 5 std rounds. And for the old 12 ga. pump, I always keep some BRI Sabot slugs around, some No. 7’s (this box is low-velocity steel—for keeping woodpeckers from eating my house. I don’t like dumping lead in my yard because deer feed there) and some rubber pellet loads for shooting bears in the ass to keep them out of my septic tank—don’t ask me why they’re attracted:

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That's a very useful grouping of gear there Will ... I like the "multi tasking" that the .22 and the shotgun can do ... and I am also using the Basic 11 more and more ... I can carry the Basic 9 though diagonally in a rear cross draw and it does'nt catch my arm movement which I find useful because I can use the knife easier when lying prone which happens a lot when using the knife in a military role of sniping ... but for civi use the Basic 11 is often chosen to go in my pack. Never tried a Basic 7 ... someday I would like to ...
 
Funny, those are some of the least expensive and most versatile of my guns and knives--isn't that the way it goes sometimes. That specific diagonal cross-draw carry for a Basic 9 makes a lot of sense--looks like you've found a niche the B9 fills better than anything. Hard to beat finding exactly the right piece of equipment for an application.

Did a little digging and learned that pistols with suppressors are a Class 3 ATFE permit item in the US, so federal law prohibits their use unless you jump through a few hoops to get the permit and pay around $200 in fees--and your state laws still have to be "suppressor friendly" to own one legally. Dampens my enthusiasm for owning one, but I'm still envious of your Ruger--I really like that piece.
 
lsheldon said:
Anybody check out what someone wants for a Basic 9 on that fleabay site? Just thought I would share.
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I keep waiting for that guy to post "just a joke."

I almost sent a message, but figured it would just piss him off.

Just think if some rube actually picks it up at that price, then stumbles on here and sees the real going cost!





As to the gear to take on an "apocalypse" hike. I would likely have to take my Ruger MarkI with a 7 1/2 inch target barrel (thick at the base but tapering). I have been shooting it for 20 or so years. I can point shoot very very well with it, and shoot it very accurately off hand and with rest. I have killed rabbits, and rock chucks out at distances that "should" have been safe from an iron sighted .22.

Not sure what "big" gun I would pair it up with. I have a black Winchester Defender that holds 8 rounds, and can shoot 3 inch magnums. With a sabot slug, I have hit a lunch box repeatedly at 25 yards.

I might take those two, and if others were traveling with, give them a scoped AR, or possibly my M1 Carbine with round nose jacketed soft points, for a bit more reach out potential.


I "need" a M1A1 for a long range gun still capable of taking large game in that situation. I would feel ok with taking deer with a well placed shot from a .22 cal in a survival situation. But I would not want to have to stop an angry bear or moose with an AR.

For blades, I would bring my Basic 11, and CABS in a baldric set up. Out of the way, unless needed. Off the belt.
 
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random images:
Basic 7 next to a XXL NICK
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the assymetrical edge on a basic 3:
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Basic 5 compared to the much heavier feeling and much more blade heavy balanced SHBA. More edge, less weight, probably not a user noticeable drop in strength.
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It's been looking so "Apocalyptic" lately I thought I'd take a couple of quick snapshots:
Long .22 with .45 handgun:
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Or a shotgun with a .22 suppressed pistola:

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LVC--great comparative images. Thanks for those.

Looks like you're all set, BL-- two nice set ups. :thumbup:

We've had a major forest fire sweeping west to east less than four miles from our house this afternoon. 60 mph winds--tanker planes can't fly, very dangerous for fire crews on the ground as well. Possibly 3,000 acres burned within the last seven hours. We're on the north side of it, and looks like it may be past us, which is a relief. Took out four homes so far and several barns, no one hurt that we know of, but they have issued evacuation orders to residents along a creek that's only a mile from our place, so that snow in your pics looks awfully good right now. Talk about the apocalypse seeming a little closer lately--whew.
 
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