Bass Pro Shops 154CPM 110 VS. Cabelas S30V 110AG

wh4f said:
Also. Just my .02
-DarrylS :D
how much are you up to now .50?
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:D ...I'm just slammin' the 532 fund Jim...I'm workin' on the shipping right now but soon those pennies will have that 532 in their sights...:cool: :p :p
 
Just read the CPM154 thread good info, wish I'd seen that earlier. Buck needs to update their site also. For that matter, Buck could just move to CPM154 as a standard blade steel.
 
Buck_110 said:
Jim:

I want to pick one up for a user. I did say the latest knives I collect are 1998 production.
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I know;
I just thought it to be a strange observation...

RAZORBLADES posted:
I have seen way too many q/c issues on their Idaho knives to consider ever buying any of them.

Buck_110 replied:
"I agree with you."

Must've just been my misunderstanding thats all.
 
If the Bass Pro version is anything like the Cabela's I have, it will be a great knife. The Cabela's has nice rosewood, the blade folds up centered and locks up very snug (although not as tight as my custom). The factory 420HC 110's may be having QC issues, but Buck may put more emphasis on the large special orders.
 
chickentrax said:
...Or the Big Boys have their own inspectors... ;)
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This could also be the case, I know in my line of work that is how it is.

I think I am going to buy one of each....154CPm and S30V.
Then I cant go wrong... Right? :D
 
Buck_110 said:
Jim:

No sweat bud! I agree with RAZORBLADES about the quality issues of the Idaho knives.

A perfect example is the Bass Pro Shops 110. I went to Buck's website to see if the blade steel was 154 CM or 154CPM. Their website states 154 CM. So...I posted that in this thread. I don't know if one calls not updating a website quality control, but that should be a high priority for any company today; considering the influence, impact, and far reaching powers of e-commerce.
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This is also very true!!! Is the 154CPM only from Bass pro though?
OR can I get 154CPM direct from Buck also? Where Joe when ya need him LOL :D
 
I got all of this off of Bucks website, according to their info BG-42 and
154Cm could be harder than S30V but S30V is still considered better? Because it resharpens better??? Too much technical info! I think I will just buy one of each :D



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Steel Specifics



Blade Steels used by Buck Knives
S30V - Developed primarily for the cutlery industry by Crucible Steel, S30V contains noticeably higher amounts of Carbon and Vanadium than does BG-42. This increase in Carbon and Vanadium provides superior edge-holding and abrasion resistance. S30V is the best blade steel available today. Superior edge holding
Improved ductility
Good hardness- ideal range Rc 59.5-61
Good corrosion resistance
Very high amounts of Carbon and Vanadium

Carbon Chromium Vanadium Molybdenum
1.45% 14.0% 4.0% 2.0%


BG-42 - A proprietary alloy of Timken Latrobe Steel, BG-42 is a high-performance, bearing-grade martensitic stainless steel used in the aerospace industry. Because of its high strength and ability to reach high Rockwell hardness (Rc 61-62), BG-42 is well suited for blades that are subjected to extreme use. Very good edge holding ability
High strength
Rockwell Rc 61-62
Fair corrosion resistance
Contains Vanadium, improving hardenability and a fine grain structure

Carbon Silicon Chromium Molybdenum Vanadium
1.15 .3 13.50 - 14.50 4.0 1.20



154CM – 154CM is a very high carbon stainless steel with the addition of Molybdenum. Because 154CM provides better edge retention than standard cutlery (stainless) steels, it is a good choice for blades that require heavier cutting applications.

Very good edge holding ability
Rockwell Rc 60-61
Good toughness when double tempered
Fair corrosion resistance
Less expensive than BG-42 and S30V

Carbon Silicon Chromium Molybdenum
1.05 .35 13.50 - 14.00 4.0


420HC - A higher carbon version of standard Type 420 martensitic stainless steel. The Carbon content, combined with the high Chromium content, provides good abrasion resistance and edge-holding. This steel is not to be confused with standard 420 stainless steel. 420HC is an excellent general purpose knife steel when heat-treated with our proprietary Paul Bos heat-treat process. Good edge holding ability
Resharpens well
Rockwell Rc 58
Good toughness
Very good corrosion resistance
Excellent standard knife steel

Carbon Nickel Silicon Chromium Manganese
.40-.50 .50 .60
12.00 - 14.00 1.0

420J2 - A lower carbon content, general-purpose stainless steel. 420J2 has fair hardness and corrosion resistance and high ease of resharpening. 420J2 is suited for knife blades with light to medium use and routine applications.

Resharpens well
Rockwell Rc 56-58
Good manufacturability
Good corrosion resistance
Fine-blankable

Carbon Nickel Silicon Chromium Manganese
.36-.45 .60 .60
12.00 - 14.00 0.80


17-7 PH - A Chromium/Nickel/Aluminum, precipitation-hardening, stainless steel. The alloy is used for high-strength applications requiring resistance to salt-water corrosion. 17-7PH offers a good compromise between Martensitic stainless steels (heat-treatable) and Austenitic (300 series) stainless steels (non heat-treatable). This is due to the high Chromium/Nickel/Aluminum content.

Moderate edge holding
Very good toughness
Excellent corrosion resistance
Rockwell Rc 54-56

Carbon Vanadium Chromium Molybdenum Nickel Aluminum
.07 - 17.00 - 7.0 1.25


Steel Type-- Edge Retention- -Ease of Resharpening --Corrosion Reisitance
S30V -------- OOOO ----------- - OOO ----- ------ - OO
BG42 -------- OOO ----------- -OO ------- ------ - OO
154CM -------- OOO ------------ OO ------------- - OO
420HC ---------- - OO - ------- - OOO ----- ----- -OOO
420J2 ---------- - OO -- ------- OOO ----------- -OO
17-7PH ----------- - O ------- -OOOO ---------- -OOOO

Best OOOO
Better OOO
Good OO
Fair O
 
Buck_110 said:
Jim:

The way the carbides in the steel are spread out makes a big difference in how tough it will be. That CPM process spreads 'em out super evenly. Only the S30V above is a CPM steel. Harder doesn't mean tougher.
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Gotcha!!!
I think I still better buy one of each! Then I wont wear them out as fast ;) LOL
 
DarrylS said:
...Jim...I don't think we should confuse 154CM with CPM154 that's being used in the BassPro
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Good point also! My bad :D

They should have CPM on here too! Maybe have to add that to the
Buck website thread :D
 
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