BB gun blues...

Daniel Koster

Daniel Koster

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I used to have a cheapo daisy pistol BB gun...and could regularly (and with decent accuracy) hit a soda can at 40 yds. Just point-n-shoot. It was only about a year old when it got smashed.

So, I went and bought a BB gun rifle thinking "more power, more ammo, better accuracy" and so on.

I have sighted this thing over and over again and still can't hit anything with it. Ok, I take it back...I did manage to scare off a large tomcat with a gentle "plink" on the head at about 15 yds....:rolleyes:

I've set up a target in my backyard, and have sat down to sight it in - well braced.

A pro-level BB gun is out of the question for me...(unless somebody wanted to trade one for a custom knife...:D)

Is there any resource out there for evaluating BB guns?

Anybody have one they particularly like? (and has good accuracy?)
 
What did you get? Some of the cheapies are not accurate at all, aren't made to be -- they're just toys. It's not easy to beat Daisy accuracy in the same price range.
 
There are airgun forums.
I lost my link in a OS upgrade, but it was something obvious like airgunforums.com
I'm sure you'll find it :D
 
This is the pistol:

Daisy BB Gun Pistol CO2 Repeater 425 fps Model 15xt

Daisy Powerline 15xt Daisy's newest Powerline 15xt CO2 powered BB pistol backs up its "custom" good looks with state-of-the-art performance. The Daisy 15 XT and 15XTP (Red-Dot) is a semi-automatic, 15 shot repeater and its price range helps make it one of the most attractive pistols on the market. This little pistol is loads of fun and very tough. The Daisy 15XT is modeled after one of today's most popular 1911 style compact pistols. It will easily accommodate a trigger mount laser for quick action shooting. Action: CO2 powered semi-automatic, Safety: Manual trigger block, Sights: Blade and ramp front fixed open rear, CAPACITY: 15 shot Magazine, BARREL: Rifled steel, GRIP: Molded black checkered, CALIBER: .177 (4.5mm) pellet, Overall length: 7.21in, Weight: 1lb, Velocity : 425 fps



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And this is the rifle:


Crosman Pumpmaster 760
The Crosman BB Gun 760b It's dependable, it's fun, and it's been Crosman's favorite for three decades, with over 7 million sold. It does double duty as a BB repeater or a single shot pellet gun. The Crosman 760 is light easy to pump and only 33.5" long this a great airgun to start with. I comes in a kit also with all you need.


Features
Model: Crosman 760
Caliber: .177 / Velocity: 600 fps BBs / 625 fps Pellets
Weight: 2.75 lbs
Barrel Length: 17" / Overall Length: 33.5"
Number of Pumps: 1 - 10 Pumps


Action: Bolt-action BB repeater / Single Shot Pellet
High-Compression Pump Action
Made In: U.S.A.
Barrel: Smooth Bore Steel
Finish: Blued
Front Sight: Fiber Optic
Rear Sight: Adjustable for elevation
Scope Rail: 11mm Grooved Receiver
Stock: Brown Synthetic Stock & Forearm


Trigger Pull: 4.5 lbs
Trigger: Single Shot
Safety: Manual
Buttplate: Hard Plastic
Warranty: 30 Day
Usage : Small Game Hunting / Target Practice


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I originally got the pistol because it was the cheapest one on the shelf....:foot:

So I went back and found a rifle that was the cheapest on the shelf...shot it twice and promptly returned it (Daisy POJ). Decided to get the Crosman because of the faster speed rating.


And I have had the darnedest time trying to sight this thing in. We're talking hours of shooting, hundreds of BBs. Will not shoot the same place twice even at 10 feet away.



So now, I'm thinking of getting the pistol. Yes, I'm a cheapskate...but I just can't justify plunking down $100+ for a BB gun...even a good one. I liked the Daisy because it was easy to shoot and decently accurate. I'd love to get one more accurate (but at a moderate price).

Just seem to have had a bad run of luck with BB guns I guess...:confused:
 
what about the Daisy 617x? Any good?
 
I'm surprised the Crosman 760 isn't working for you. There must be something wrong with it -- and I think it should be pretty easy to find or it couldn't be screwing up accuracy that much. Are the sights staying where you put them? Does the gun rattle if you shake it a little? Something has to be very loose.... :confused:
 
I loved my old Red Ryders. Very powerful and accurate. My current air rifle is a .22 Benjamin Sheridan. Pump it 8 times and it can shoot through a 2 by 4, and its fairly accurate.

I havent had much luck with Daisy air pistols. Awhile back I bought a model 622X .22 Co2 whick looks just like a Beretta w/ a front fiberoptic sight. It was powerful the first few shots, but lost power fast. It has been discontinued and replaced by a .177 model.

I love Gamo air pistols. If you can find one, try it out. Very well made, powerful, and accurate. They can get pricey (around $90) but worth it in the long run. Hope this info helps
 
I'd say there is definately something wrong with the 760 you have. I had one when I was a teenager and never found its accuracy to be a problem.

I've been thinking about picking up a cheap air pistol lately. Any one got any suggestions in the $50 range. I don't want an air soft.

thanks

Jamie
 
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I would suggest ya save a bit and get into a good spring piston gun like a beeman r-7 There is nothing quite like a really good pellet rifle with a great trigger and accuracy for fun,practice and pest control around the homestead. the cheaper guns in the recomended realm are still 100-120 a genuinely good gun sub 300.00 I bought a 200 dollar pellett gun 27 years ago and have used it ever since and regulary- is that too much to pay for a lifetime? Ask around and look. BTW http://www.straightshooters.com/ has comparisons of a bunch of the higher end models. It is a great hobby too. Be careful though it is definately addictive at the quality level....
 
Have a close look at the crown of the barrel.
If there are any burrs or irregularity, clean it up and smoothe it out.
One little burr can make all the difference in the accuracy of small bore guns.
The projectile must leave smoothe and evenly.
 
I have a friend who has that crossman model and we have no trouble hitting targets at 15 yards. GAMO has a really nice single pull model that is around 70 dollars. It isn't the fastest but the single pull models are the most accurate. They also make a 1000 fps model for 199. The only thing is its about 4x louder than a .22 rifle with subsonic ammo. Get a .22 if you're going to spend more than 100 and buy some aguila SSS or super colibri.
 
beefandangus its not always just about shooting quiet. There are plenty of areas where a bb or pellet gun are legal and a firearm is not to shoot. Also neighbors an the local police way throw a bigger fit over the rimfire than a pellet or bb gun. There are other issues involved sometimes. I have both the pellett gun option and the quiet firearm option. The ability to safely shoot a pelletgun verses a rimfire are another reason to sometimes choose even a "high power pelletgun" over the rimfire. The rimfires tend to be dangerous over longer distances. I also have a few friends who chose the cheap route on the rifles in the form of winchester and gamo and once they got the better quality guns even they see a difference in thier ability to shoot the better guns more easily and in a more accurate way. Value should not be always be a bottom dollar choice...
 
Hmmm, I will ask you what is safer about a .22 pellet going 1000 fps versus a .22 bullet going 400-500 fps? Around where I lived pellet guns were against city ordinances same as firearms. Gamo makes high quality pellet guns that are extremely accurate. Now if you want to go over the 700 or 800 dollar mark then you can look at walther or something else, but I don't think you're talking about target pellet guns? Oh yeah that city was dayton too.
 
I have an RWS model 48....1100 FPS. Side level cocking....it is NOT a toy in any sense of the word and will put a speartip pellet in and out the back side of a woodchuck and lodge in a tree on the other side. It will put a pellet through the same hole every time.

If you want to get scary, look for a beeman kodiak in .25. Some of those air rifles have more Ft pounds of energy than a .22 powder charge and you can take down small game with them.

For a plinker, grab something like a gamo hunter 440 and throw a scope on it. I wouldnt go anywhere near a smoothbore for accuracy, plus BBs tend to ricochet far worse than lead pellets.
 
I had a 760 as a kid, and it was always very accurate for me with pellets, but it was a little erratic with BB's. Try pellets and see if you have the same results. The best shooting BB gun I ever had was a crossman 766(I think that was the model number, it shot pellets very accurately as well, my dad got it for me after i bent the barrel on the 760) pump up. I used to shoot birds off the TV antenna all day when I was eight (I have since developed a respect for life that I was lacking then so please no flames as that was more than 30 years ago) from about thirty yards.
 
beefangusbeef said:
Hmmm, I will ask you what is safer about a .22 pellet going 1000 fps versus a .22 bullet going 400-500 fps? Around where I lived pellet guns were against city ordinances same as firearms. Gamo makes high quality pellet guns that are extremely accurate. Now if you want to go over the 700 or 800 dollar mark then you can look at walther or something else, but I don't think you're talking about target pellet guns? Oh yeah that city was dayton too.
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Not to flame you but in the airgun circles the gamo's are entry level at best. I run in the airgun world a bit and have over 30 years of experience there. There are a whole buch of quality guns between them and the 700.00 you quote.And the accuraccy is even better usually too. As far as the pellet at 1000 vs the .22 USUALLY the .rimfire bullet is 3 times or more heavier. I am not saying all airguns are weak at all. As far as "scary power" I have a .50 cal that does 700 fps plus with a 170 grain lead ball. And yes there are plenty of cities that have no use for any guns being used in them but generally the airguns are way more acceptable. And I am well aware the airguns are not toys even in .177. There are plenty of animals that fall to them every day. I even know of a deer that was taken with a .22 airgun- a guy on one of the forums posted of it and some pigs taken with it. There are several 600 fp plus airguns available at this point too. Elk and buffalo have fallen to the big bore airguns too. Just like the knife world there is a whole range of performance and price and several products at each price/performance range with standouts in each. Do you wanna talk airguns ? I am game... Target rifles? plinkers? powerhouse? There is alot of info out there! :eek:
 
Good to see some shooters out there. I used to own beautiful Anschutz target rifles in both .22 and air. I was on the mass State and Jr olympic teams and fell away from the sport when I hit college and had to travel to the range for practice. I sold the air rifle but still have my good old Anschutz 1913 super match under my bed. One of these days, I have to get back out to the range...i miss the good ole days of matches and pressure....
 
tictock- its a shame you did not keep that air rifle.... I after lusting for a target airgun for years aquired one,a Feinwerkbau 601 a couple years back. Then I fell into a collection and aquired a "classic" match gun the Diana 75. That FWB is just awesom and the diana is not bad at'al :D Practice in ones home or backyard can be very good for enjoyment and honing of ones skills. I don't compete although I should try. I don't spend much formal time at the range anymore. I used to be a expert in .22 and .45 although my scores would likely be down from lack of practice... Rifle is a game I never got serious about, YET!
 
Its scary at high levels. A couple people I used to shoot with ran long distance to train their heart to have a much slower resting bpm, like 30-40...then they would shoot between heartbeats during the heart's rest period to avoid the barrel moving mid-beat. At 50 feet, an international match .22 target's 10 ring isnt even a ring. its a white dot with a diameter small enough that punching a pin through the paper will erase it. Most national level guys and gals are shooting that dot out 49/50 shots. Many matches are won out of a tie, with the winner being the person with the most "cleans", meaning a shot that hits ONLY that ten ring and does not outwardly break the nine ring...
 
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