BBC: Scotland Police Utilizing Web To Hunt for Knives

[Anaxes]

Are hand guns against the law in the UK?

Yes, basically. One can own one for humane dispatch of animals; if you had one for such a purpose and took it down the range your license would be revoked. Politicians and elites are allowed handguns and CCL permits.

Blackpowder pistols or revolvers are legal.

 

[kaiservontexas]

My intention of posting the news clip was for those living overseas and post on forums. I would hate to see people who are in the hobby, for whatever reason, be rounded up.

Jose Wales: your family has a nice collection of firearms. I am impressed. One day I to shall have such a room.

 

[Yorkshire Boy]

I remember an outrageous news story that I saw last year about a teenager who was mugging people on a London city bus.

Basically the mugger took a gold chain from another teen by only threatening that he had a knife, put it on, stopped to look at his own reflection in the CCTV camera, and got away with the loot.
Not a single person on that bus tried to stop this punk. How hard could it be for a dozen or so people to overpower a teenager who is armed only with a knife? And he never even brandished it during the robbery.
This disgraceful event says more about the average person in the UK than all of their asinine knife laws put together.

Where is a country headed when the vast majority of its citizens believe that self-defense is bad and immoral because the poor little criminal's human rights might get violated? :barf:

Actually mate, your comments make me want to :barf:

I don't think that lack of action is limited to just the people of London. Ironic that you say you're from NY. Don't you remember certain other people not having the balls to confront knife wielding criminals, just sitting meekly in their seats hoping everything will be OK. Does that disgraceful event say more about the American people than all of your gun ownership laws do?

The animosity shown to British people on this thread is disgusting.

You have the right to defend yourself in Britain, end of story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khcJvu1U2gI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ngh-Cxrd_U

I carry a legal EDC folder everyday of the year. When fishing I have a puukko or my RC-3 with me.

YB

 

[Anaxes]

I don't think that lack of action is limited to just the people of London. Ironic that you say you're from NY. Don't you remember certain other people not having the balls to confront knife wielding criminals, just sitting meekly in their seats hoping everything will be OK. Does that disgraceful event say more about the American people than all of your gun ownership laws do?

The animosity shown to British people on this thread is disgusting.

Guns do not enter the equation in NY as the city generally does not allow carry permits, and I assume it is the same situation state wide?.
Believe me, if someone started brandishing a knife in public whist in a gun-friendly state, you have a far better chance of someone coming to your assistance than in London.

It has not all been polite, but with respect, it is quite mild. Nothing compared to the usually animosity displayed to Americans in England in my experience, but those are my encounters.

I remember whilst on a visit to nearby Barnsley in Yorkshire, a friend of a friend began professing his belief all Americans should be killed in genocide.
He was your average white male, no belief in Islamic fundamentalism or other "causes".

Lived in England virtually all my life by the way.

P.S: Highly advise not testing ones right to defence, it will very often come unstuck. Many of the horror stories are not myth I'm afraid.

 

[SAKowner]

Actually mate, your comments make me want to :barf:

I don't think that lack of action is limited to just the people of London. Ironic that you say you're from NY. Don't you remember certain other people not having the balls to confront knife wielding criminals, just sitting meekly in their seats hoping everything will be OK. Does that disgraceful event say more about the American people than all of your gun ownership laws do?

The animosity shown to British people on this thread is disgusting.

The mugger didn't even brandish the knife, he was acting alone, and he was outnumbered. If he tried to pull crap like that aboard a NYC bus that was full of people, he would have got his ass kicked.

This man had more courage than all the people on that bus put together.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...AA15753C1A967958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

You have the right to defend yourself in Britain, end of story.

I'm not sure what exactly the UK law says about this. But I read that when British citizens fight back and end up injuring or killing their attackers they get prosecuted and go to prison. That's not the case in New York. Here you can use force, including lethal force, to defend yourself from an attempted murder, rape, robbery, or arson. Can you do that in the UK? I doubt it.

 

[topspeclt]

The mugger didn't even brandish the knife, he was acting alone, and he was outnumbered. If he tried to pull crap like that aboard a NYC bus that was full of people, he would have got his ass kicked.

This man had more courage than all the people on that bus put together.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...AA15753C1A967958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all



I'm not sure what exactly the UK law says about this. But I read that when British citizens fight back and end up injuring or killing their attackers they get prosecuted and go to prison. That's not the case in New York. Here you can use force, including lethal force, to defend yourself from an attempted murder, rape, robbery, or arson. Can you do that in the UK? I doubt it.

You're right you can't do that at all in the UK.

People are at the mercy of criminals and the authorities in any situation (even if they break into your own home).

Cool eh?

P.S. There is no such thing as 'self-defence' in the UK.

 

[Haze]

Things are not as black and white as some people seem to think it is when it comes to defending ones self in the UK.

Its impossible to say one country is better or worse than another when it comes to its citizens helping one and other out.
There is multiple stories from both sides of the pond presenting both a willingness and unwillingness to help other people so going round in circles over this is fruitles.

I have defended my self violently and have helped people getting there asses kicked also and I have never had any more than an hour in a police station answereing questions on one occasion.

People apparently think every "crime" or case of "self defence" is investigated by the police in the UK

In my experience the idiots who try to attack or mug people dont go crying to the police to complain they got smashed up trying to steal someones wallet

 

[topspeclt]

Things are not as black and white as some people seem to think it is when it comes to defending ones self in the UK.

Its impossible to say one country is better or worse than another when it comes to its citizens helping one and other out.
There is multiple stories from both sides of the pond presenting both a willingness and unwillingness to help other people so going round in circles over this is fruitles.

I have defended my self violently and have helped people getting there asses kicked also and I have never had any more than an hour in a police station answereing questions on one occasion.

People apparently think every "crime" or case of "self defence" is investigated by the police in the UK

In my experience the idiots who try to attack or mug people dont go crying to the police to complain they got smashed up trying to steal someones wallet

You sound like you end up in police stations regularly.

Hmmmmm....

My point.

 

[Haze]

You sound like you end up in police stations regularly.

Hmmmmm....

My point.

What part of "on one occasion" was it hard for you to understand ?

My point is that you can indeed help/defend other people and your self with out fear of prosecution. I have managed it a number of times.

What was your point again ?

 

[MORIMOTOM]

Actually mate, your comments make me want to :barf:

I don't think that lack of action is limited to just the people of London.

YB

it isn't. indifference or failure to act is commonplace, for varying reasons. some just don't want to be bothered, some are afraid of being injured, and some simply don't know what to do.

given my occupation, it is often difficult to really place blame on bystanders, though there are clear exceptions.

generally it is better to have a good witness than potentially an additional victim. however many people refuse to be witnesses as well.

sign of the times?

You sound like you end up in police stations regularly.

Hmmmmm....

My point.

spreading joy wherever you go, huh?

 

[GregS]

Anybody seen this news report yet?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/the_p_word/newsid_7852000/7852248.stm

The article says the police in Scotland are searching the web for pictures of Scottish citizens brandishing or displaying edged tools/weapons and knives. Once they discover a such a picture they go pay the individual a visit.

Here is a quote:

"Even when pictures are taken in private, though, which isn't technically breaking the law, he says the weapons are so dangerous his officers pay a visit to the people involved."

I hate to hear this, I hope the person that advocated that law needs a knife one day, and it isn't there, and they realize how close minded they are.

You sound like you end up in police stations regularly.

Hmmmmm....

My point.

Meltdown immanent.

 

[topspeclt]

Fee Fi Fo Fum!

You talk about knife and Gun laws in UK?

You can't even whistle in the UK!

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/02/13/Man_gets_20_weeks_in_jail_for_whistling/UPI-19791234570516/

WINGERWORTH, England, Feb. 13 (UPI) -- A Wingerworth, England, man has been sentenced to 20 weeks in prison after he repeatedly whistled the theme to "The Addams Family" TV show at his neighbors.

Leopold Wrobel, 51, was convicted of violating an antisocial behavior order directing him to cease whistling the tune at neighbors Michael and Kathleen Sharpe. Magistrates at a Chesterfield, England, court also found him guilty of two counts of harassment, The Daily Telegraph reported Friday.

Prosecutor Michael Treharne said Wrobel's behavior may seem silly "but if something happens on an on-going basis and goes on and on and on, eventually it reaches the stage of being absolutely intolerable."

Kathleen Sharpe, 66, told the court Wrobel was always waiting with his whistling whenever she left her house.

"I'm so relieved, it's been an absolute nightmare. It's affected our health and all the family," she said after the sentencing.

Wrobel claimed he was not the perpetrator and only whistled at his dog, but closed-circuit TV footage shown to the court depicted him repeatedly whistling when the couple left their house or arrived home.

 

[greater]

Wrobel was always waiting with his whistling whenever she left her house.

That is not mere whistling that in my book is called harassment if he had been told repeatedly and knew it was not welcome then perhaps he brought this 20 week sentence on himself.

It sounds to me like a real quality of life issue accompanied by a proper solution. You don't know what BS quality of life enforcement (fines for placing your handbag on an empty seat in an uncrowded subway etc...) is until you experience Rudy Guiliani in NYC

 

[greater]

It even borders on stalking. In NYC the police would probably wait for something terrible to happen before taking any serious action

 

[greater]

I am somewhat a believer in castle domain if someone breaks into your house you should have the right to defend it. I am in agreement with Texas laws on that.

Someone should not have to place themselves or their family at risk by sparing an intruder thus giving him/her the chance take control and possibly do them harm. That choice should be given to the homeowner.

 

[greater]

"Prosecutor Michael Treharne said Wrobel's behavior may seem silly"

It is not silly it's a form of intimidation, harassment, and disruption of another's normal life it is criminal behaviour. I don't know his reasons however anyone who does things should know to expect the business end action and that is not a pat on the back.

 

[Haze]

Fee Fi Fo Fum!

You talk about knife and Gun laws in UK?

You can't even whistle in the UK!

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/02/13/Man_gets_20_weeks_in_jail_for_whistling/UPI-19791234570516/

Its amazing how you can totaly ignore the facts and just see what you want to.

The guy was blatantly being nusance and whas harrasing the old couple with his behaviour.
Waiting for people to whistle at them over and over and over is not the same a walking down the street having a tune to your self.

 

[stabman]

You sound like you end up in police stations regularly.

Hmmmmm....

My point.

Grab a clue man.
In the States, you will NOT be handed a friggin medal by the investigating officer. Most times you will have to spend some time talking to said cop for longer than you may wish.
Now back to the regularly scheduled England bashing from people living in some warped fantasy-land.

 

[TOM1960]

Grab a clue man.
In the States, you will NOT be handed a friggin medal by the investigating officer. Most times you will have to spend some time talking to said cop for longer than you may wish.
Now back to the regularly scheduled England bashing from people living in some warped fantasy-land.

.....and your attorney will most likely have to spend some time negotiating with the District Attorney's office in an effort to keep your butt out of prison! Self-defense is not an exact science in the United States either. For example, if you use anything other than your bare hands to defend yourself against attack (lethal or otherwise) in New York City, you will be charged with Criminal Possession Of A Weapon, a felony that carries serious prison time. The opposite example is Texas, where people can use deadly force to protect their property as well as their lives.

 

[Arkeld]

"Prosecutor Michael Treharne said Wrobel's behavior may seem silly"

It is not silly it's a form of intimidation, harassment, and disruption of another's normal life it is criminal behaviour. I don't know his reasons however anyone who does things should know to expect the business end action and that is not a pat on the back.

Reality check here people. He whistled the Adams Family tune at them. That´s it. So what?

This case should have been dismissed. To prosecute "malicious whistling" is a complete waste of tax money.

"I'm so relieved, it's been an absolute nightmare. It's affected our health and all the family," she said after the sentencing.

Yeah, and whistling made the Titanic sink too. Gimme a break.