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PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE THREAD, IT IS ESSENTIAL TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THE END BRIAN CAME THROUGH.

Brian listed two knives for sale last night with no prices. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1390749-what

He has since deleted the text and closed the ad. I PM'd last night to find out the price of the CRK. He replied this morning at 9:52am to let me know he updated the ad with prices. I saw the message at around 10am, visited the ad and saw he was asking $260 shipped for the large CRK 21 Insingo. I replied to his PM at about 10:10am saying I would take it and requesting payment information. He replied at 10:50am with a PayPal address and to say he couldn't ship until tomorrow. I told him that was fine and sent payment about an hour later.

At 10:55am he relisted both knives from the original ad for sale, this time he was asking $300 for the CRK.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...Chris-Reeve-s-Large-Insingo-for-Sale-or-Trade

Then he refunds my payment saying he was waiting on a trade to pan out, apparently it did. If you are waiting on a trade to pan out you don't accept payment for an item, make shipping arrangements and then turn around and relist the same item for more money. I see this as a pretty clear cut case of a welch and an all around crappy way to conduct business. Plus multiple exchange rules were violated. Hopefully a mod stops by and weighs in.
 
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Sorry that happened to ya dude. Seems some people have no etiquette of how things work with selling/ and or trading items. Just gotta find ya another deal now :thumbup:
 
Alot of people don't have any honor anymore. Shallow disgraceful little people. If I made a deal, I would follow through even if after someone made an incredible offer.
 
That guy's word don't mean s*** ; though he was honest enough to promptly refund your money.
 
HalJordon said:
Brian listed two knives for sale last night with no prices. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1390749-what

He has since deleted the text and closed the ad. I PM'd last night to find out the price of the CRK. He replied this morning at 9:52am to let me know he updated the ad with prices. I saw the message at around 10am, visited the ad and saw he was asking $260 shipped for the large CRK 21 Insingo. I replied to his PM at about 10:10am saying I would take it and requesting payment information. He replied at 10:50am with a PayPal address and to say he couldn't ship until tomorrow. I told him that was fine and sent payment about an hour later.

At 10:55am he relisted both knives from the original ad for sale, this time he was asking $300 for the CRK.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...Chris-Reeve-s-Large-Insingo-for-Sale-or-Trade

Then he refunds my payment saying he was waiting on a trade to pan out, apparently it did. If you are waiting on a trade to pan out you don't accept payment for an item, make shipping arrangements and then turn around and relist the same item for more money. I see this as a pretty clear cut case of a welch and an all around crappy way to conduct business. Plus multiple exchange rules were violated. Hopefully a mod stops by and weighs in.
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That's a real bummer, Hal! I too, had seen this sales thread. I was a synapse away from sending the seller a PM, to inquire about a price on the CRK.

For $260, I too would've been all over that! I'd pretty much feel the same way you do, if someone pulled this kind of stunt on me.

Thank you, for sharing this very helpful information! :thumbup:
 
:thumbdn:No honor with some folks..:thumbdn:
My IGNORE list is growing in leaps
and bounds over the last year..
 
Not a very good way to do business around here. At least you are in the clear and got your money back.
 
Poor form on the sellers part. $260 is a fantastic price for that. $300 ain't too bad either depending on condition. All he had to do was give you the price he really wanted in the original PM,50/50 chance you would have bought it for the real price. At least he did give you your money back, possibly dodged a bullet on that one. Added him to the list as well.
 
Sucks you missed out on a knife, sure, but...

1) You made an offer on his knife
2) You sent money on the offer
3) He refunded your money
4) He traded the knives for a deal he favored more

You were made whole, albeit not with a new knife that you didn't possess in the first place. What's the issue here? The seller can choose to sell the knife to anyone they desire and the Exchange Rules are pretty clear:

4. Retaliatory negative feedback ratings can earn you an infraction. Getting pissed off because a deal didn't go though is no reason to try and ruin someones rep. You are expected to conduct yourself in a mature and responsible manner, failure to do so will result in warnings or infractions as necessary.

5. If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you are not out any items or money, move along. Consider improving the terms of your sales threads / read the sellers terms carefully in order to avoid this before buying.
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He chose to sell the knife to HalJordon. Gave him Paypal info and let him know he could ship until the next day.

HalJordon paid.

Seller then refunded his money to make more money on the knife after a sale had already been made.

Yes HalJordon was made whole, and I highly doubt he'll leave feedback which is not warranted in this situation. But I do believe this thread in the Feedback section is warranted. I'm glad he did, because I don't want to deal with this seller in the future.
 
somber said:
Sucks you missed out on a knife, sure, but...

1) You made an offer on his knife
2) You sent money on the offer
3) He refunded your money
4) He traded the knives for a deal he favored more

You were made whole, albeit not with a new knife that you didn't possess in the first place. What's the issue here? The seller can choose to sell the knife to anyone they desire and the Exchange Rules are pretty clear:
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We can all do what we want in life to make a few dollars more, in any legal fashion, but sometimes it's just plain rude to renege on a deal.
 
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somber said:
Sucks you missed out on a knife, sure, but...

1) You made an offer on his knife
2) You sent money on the offer
3) He refunded your money
4) He traded the knives for a deal he favored more

You were made whole, albeit not with a new knife that you didn't possess in the first place. What's the issue here? The seller can choose to sell the knife to anyone they desire and the Exchange Rules are pretty clear:
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The issue is that the time to decide who you want to sell to is before you take the money, just as the time to ask ?s and request photo's by the buyer is before the I'll take it. Once you take the money the deal has been made(obviously not completed until the mail man shows up at the buyers) & you should not be taking any other offers or trades. It is proper to honor your deals even if they latter don't look as good. Regardless the buyer may be lucky to be out of it.
This is the proper place for such matters. I trader is not
Not the end of the world by any means, but hopefully someone benefits from the thread
 
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I see the op's point. You make a deal, a commitment, you keep it. What's with all the apologists here?
 
jkwithawave said:
He chose to sell the knife to HalJordon. Gave him Paypal info and let him know he could ship until the next day.

HalJordon paid.

Seller then refunded his money to make more money on the knife after a sale had already been made.

Yes HalJordon was made whole, and I highly doubt he'll leave feedback which is not warranted in this situation. But I do believe this thread in the Feedback section is warranted. I'm glad he did, because I don't want to deal with this seller in the future.
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This is exactly what the GB&U is for. It can help you solve issues in a current deal or it can serve as place to explain about a situation or member when itrader feedback is not appropriate.
 
somber said:
Sucks you missed out on a knife, sure, but...

1) You made an offer on his knife
2) You sent money on the offer
3) He refunded your money
4) He traded the knives for a deal he favored more

You were made whole, albeit not with a new knife that you didn't possess in the first place. What's the issue here? The seller can choose to sell the knife to anyone they desire and the Exchange Rules are pretty clear:
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This is not a feedback, this is the Good, Bad and Ugly feedback section. This is exactly the place for this, so others are made aware of this guy's shenanigans. An iTrader feedback will not be left, even though the deal was made it was also undone. I understand the rules.

I agree you have the right to sell to who you please BEFORE you agree to terms and accept payment. However, a clear "I'll take it" in a thread is the universally accepted as the end all and be all. He had received payment per our agreement. I was prompt with payment and communication.

This thread is to show everyone that Brian's integrity is worth roughly $40.
 
This is precisely the kind of thing that reminds me that iTrader is worse than useless, it's misleading. There is no rational reason that i shouldn't be able to check a person's feedback and get all the information I need. Instead, I'm advised to search a member's name, look at GBU, blah, blah, blah. It's ridiculous that this buyer is forbidden from posting negative feedback on this transaction.
 
Like I said, it sucks that you didn't get a knife you wanted.

Seems a little melodramatic to say the dude lacks honor or integrity based on him selling / trading a knife to someone else.

Dragon_Man, I'm not being an apologist. On Bladeforums, at the end of the day the seller has the power to decide who he sells to. Pretty simple.
 
A person whose integrity can be bought like a $40.00 whore, will probably achieve a very limited success in business.
 
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