Bad BE AWARE OF @obrbobr (Tomás)

Sep7imo

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Hello, I worked on a deal with this guy, forum nickname: O obrbobr (Tomás) about a month ago.
This guy is from the Czech Republic and asked me to ship to his country. I told him I preferred to ship only in the US but if he agreed to take full responsibility for it and pay shipping, I could ship to him.
He agreed.
I sent him the knife and kept in touch with him through the process until it arrived.
After it arrived, he claimed that the knife I sent was a different one and that on closer inspection he saw the box was tampered with.
I asked him to go to his post office and report it. I did the same here.
As you guys know USPS takes forever to investigate and one of the things they require is for the report of the damaged package at receiving post office. Well, this guy didn't get a report and I offered a few hundred just because I felt bad for the situation. He declined and then went to PayPal and opened up a case and said I had offered him a refund and he had declined.
I sent him the emails to remind him that he had agreed to take full responsibility if I shipped it and still he just kept crying about not being fair.
He then said he knew I was right but he proposed for me to pay 50% of the value of the knife.
I declined of course. I offered money out of the kindness of my heart and this guy wanted more?
Anyway, he then started acting like I was in the wrong and he went ahead and escalated the issue with PayPal.
Now he wants a full refund.
Please be careful.
This guy will say anything to make you feel confortable and agree to anything you say. After knife is sent, anything he agreed to goes out the window. I have added a screen shot of the email where he agreed to be responsible for knife and shipping. If you guys need more info and want more emails attached, let me know. Thanks for your time.
 

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Dirt said:
I hope this wasn't too expensive a lesson.
Make note of what you did wrong and learn.

"Fool me once, shame on you..."
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An expensive lesson indeed and believe me, the headache this has caused the past month will be hard to forget.
 
OP that sounds like a proper hassle. Sheesh
i'll just gift a knife to a person instead of having it stolen by a dishonest creep.
I ordered something from the Czech Republic once upon a time...took about 20 days to arrive but it got here. I imagine the other direction to be perilous, though...heh...who knows.

I always imagined Czechs to be righteous folks in fur lined hats with badass knives in their belts

Good luck
 
L.A. Saiga said:
OP that sounds like a proper hassle. Sheesh
i'll just gift a knife to a person instead of having it stolen by a dishonest creep.
I ordered something from the Czech Republic once upon a time...took about 20 days to arrive but it got here. I imagine the other direction to be perilous, though...heh...who knows.

I always imagined Czechs to be righteous folks in fur lined hats with badass knives in their belts

Good luck
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Thanks man. PayPal came to this decision few days ago. They will refund him the money and he has to send me back the knife. What a damn joke! Why would I want that garbage knife he got? They don't read anything I say in my defense. The emails I sent as proof mean nothing. To them "customers are always right" I'm fighting this all the way.
 
I've gotten caught up in the requests of "$20 camp tool" on declaration forms before. Years later and a touch wiser, I will *not* misrepresent the item on customs forms. It is mindset of this type of buyer - "I want cheapest possible way but want the seller to assume all risk*" - that means I will no longer ship international unless the buyer and I are known to one another.

It sucks for the international buyers with integrity and a backbone but it is what it is.

"No insurance on package, this is my risk."
"as camping tool - price 20 USD."
 
Cutshaw said:
I've gotten caught up in the requests of "$20 camp tool" on declarations forms before. Years later and a touch wiser, I will *not* misrepresent the item on customs forms. It is mindset of this type of buyer - "I want cheapest possible way but want the seller to assume all risk*" - that means I will no longer ship international unless the buyer and I are known to one another.

It sucks for the international buyers with integrity and a backbone but it is what it is.

"No insurance on package, this is my risk."
"as camping tool - price 20 USD."
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Lesson learned my friend. I have also heard that people on postal service know what "camping tool" means, "Expensive knife"
 
Sep7imo said:
Thanks man. PayPal came to this decision few days ago. They will refund him the money and he has to send me back the knife. What a damn joke! Why would I want that garbage knife he got? They don't read anything I say in my defense. The emails I sent as proof mean nothing. To them "customers are always right" I'm fighting this all the way.
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If Paypal gave him a full refund, then he should be giving you 50% of it.
 
I had a bad experience with shipping overseas years ago. I will currently only ship to the US.
 
Unfortunately this is the problem with doing private deals outside PP's rules. No matter what the buyer says, the deal is only as good as his(or Her) honesty. PP will revert to their rules if a claim is made. Luckily most buyers will stand by their word, no matter how much it hurt.
I have lost a few international shipments and like the OP offered to cover some to ease the pain. My buyers didn't expect that and were very happy being partially cover. This buyer should have been happy with that also. IMO
 
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