Very strange indeed. He had your money. More money than he would have gotten in his other deals. Does not make sense. Selling a fake? Who knows. For brand new knife of that price it is odd he wouldn't have the box. Not saying it is a fake but very odd.
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Very strange indeed. He had your money. More money than he would have gotten in his other deals. Does not make sense. Selling a fake? Who knows. For brand new knife of that price it is odd he wouldn't have the box. Not saying it is a fake but very odd.
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Thanks for the head's up, another one for the ignore list (although his feedback score probably would have done that for me regardless)
I appreciate the info, it's not always easy to tell who's good or bad around here and I don't always have time to do my research, so threads like this are helpful. Whether he technically broke forum rules here or not, I'd rather not deal with people of this sort.
I appreciate the info, it's not always easy to tell who's good or bad around here and I don't always have time to do my research, so threads like this are helpful. Whether he technically broke forum rules here or not, I'd rather not deal with people of this sort.
Theres nothing in the rules anywhere about listing items elsewhere on the web or having to give bladeforums members priority on sales. The seller chooses to whom he will sell. While I don't quite agree with him allowing payment, he has returned those payments. Something to be a bit thankful for.
Straddling the fence is what it sounds like. Selling to the highest bidder, if he doesn't get his asking price on eBay he may sell here, if he gets more money then he refunds and sells on eBay. Anyway you look at it, people really should be up front and say, this item is also listed on eBay. They should also post their full and complete asking price, not try and nickel and dime people out of whatever they can. That kind of thing hurts the hobby and we are not really fond of it happening that way here. If you want to sell on eBay cool, if you want to list here too cool, let people know your item is cross listed. Don't offer something for sale, take money for it, and then reverse the deal. It's like the same thing as flaking on deals with a twist.
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I say if he wants to play games like the ones he's playing then let him stick to selling on ebay exclusively. It seems to be working out well enough for him. All he seems to be doing here is playing an elaborate game of "Red Light, Green Light". (Or whatever that game was called)
Hmm, I can remember a time where you'd have jump up one side and down the other about this. Thanks for the armchair quarterbacking, but this is being taken care of. Oh, this falls under the very first rule, under "Sellers".
I know exactly what integrity is.
Yes, you know exactly how everyone will react. Thanks for changing the subject I was actually referring to.....items listed on other sites, which there is no reference to in the rules and that rule you referred to does not cover.
It's called flaking. I don't see how it can be an oversight to be sold somewhere else when it got to the point of money being sent from a sale here. I understand that there may be a time you get someone backing out of a deal. I hope I'm wrong but this guy sounds like a serial remorse seller. He sold it on eBay? Because that's what he told you or you actually saw the listing? Ask him for the listing number.
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11 withdrawn knives and you still want to defend this guy
Plus 3 dings on the iTrader for it.
Whether you think it is right, wrong or are indifferent to it altogether there is a pattern.
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If money has changed hands, is that considered a transaction?
Not according to the rules. Itrader should only be used for items that have fully completed the process of sales. Money sent and Item shipped.
If the transaction has not completed this process, Itrader should not be used. Instead a TGB&U can be started. Stating, in a clear and concise manner with FACTS only, what transpired. The moderators then should act as a neutral party to the process and not act on the many insinuations, speculations and such that some members habitually clutter up these threads with. Best to give a supporting paid member the benefit of doubt until such time as there is none and the facts are supported with evidence, not hearsay.
So let me get this straight. The listing made no reference to a first come, first serve sale. In my mind that means the seller reserves the right to sell or not to a specific person if he wants, or he can choose to wait for someone else.
The guy didn't cheat or rob anyone. Some guy threw money at him without a deal being done and the dude immediately gave the money back. That's a problem? Isn't that actually a GOOD thing? But people are mad at a guy who was honest enough to immediately return unasked for money because the prospective buyers was stupid enough to give money to him with no firm deal in place?
Spark owns a knife shop, if I'm not mistaken. I have a hard time believing he feels obligated to sell anything to anyone throwing money at him just because they were the first to do it. And I doubt he'd agree with someone saying he was unethical because he sold HIS products to someone else based on his own prerogatives. But I don't know the man. Maybe he would. Just because he tells people his shop address and where the register is doesn't mean he's obligated to sell his stuff to the first person that walks up to it.
Reiterating via pm that something is still for sale doesn't necessarily mean a deal is made. For most people and most situations that only means a deal CAN be made, not that anyone is obligated to anything at that point.
I'd say, if anything, people shouldn't give money to someone without a firm confirmation of a deal first. Why complicate the rules when some common sense should be used first? Don't use PayPal gift option, don't give money to people who you haven't struck a deal with. Seems simple.
The guy didn't cheat or rob anyone. Some guy threw money at him without a deal being done and the dude immediately gave the money back. That's a problem? Isn't that actually a GOOD thing? But people are mad at a guy who was honest enough to immediately return unasked for money because the prospective buyers was stupid enough to give money to him with no firm deal in place?
Spark owns a knife shop, if I'm not mistaken. I have a hard time believing he feels obligated to sell anything to anyone throwing money at him just because they were the first to do it. And I doubt he'd agree with someone saying he was unethical because he sold HIS products to someone else based on his own prerogatives. But I don't know the man. Maybe he would. Just because he tells people his shop address and where the register is doesn't mean he's obligated to sell his stuff to the first person that walks up to it.
Reiterating via pm that something is still for sale doesn't necessarily mean a deal is made. For most people and most situations that only means a deal CAN be made, not that anyone is obligated to anything at that point.
I'd say, if anything, people shouldn't give money to someone without a firm confirmation of a deal first. Why complicate the rules when some common sense should be used first? Don't use PayPal gift option, don't give money to people who you haven't struck a deal with. Seems simple.
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My post in this thread where I made very matter of fact points about the basic rules of selling here was removed because the thread was selfishly derailed. You can read the original here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...legitimate-GBU-thread?p=15316605#post15316605
So just to reiterate what I said.....
The first rule here to sell things is to be 100% sure you want to sell the item (the implication is to sell it here). Now, the guy in question here has at least withdrawn items 11 times on the exchange. For what reason it does not even matter. He withdraw items he had even been paid for. One or two withdraws? Fine. We all make mistakes. 11? he is work the system here against the rules.
He has also on multiple occasions listed the same item within the 14 day rule which screws over other sellers.
The point I made in the removed posts from this thread is that we do not need members here like this.
So just to reiterate what I said.....
The first rule here to sell things is to be 100% sure you want to sell the item (the implication is to sell it here). Now, the guy in question here has at least withdrawn items 11 times on the exchange. For what reason it does not even matter. He withdraw items he had even been paid for. One or two withdraws? Fine. We all make mistakes. 11? he is work the system here against the rules.
He has also on multiple occasions listed the same item within the 14 day rule which screws over other sellers.
The point I made in the removed posts from this thread is that we do not need members here like this.
So you're saying the person listed the item with no firm intention to sell even though the guy is mad that the seller did, in fact, sell it?
That sounds like a 100% intention to sell to me. Just not to the OP. Relisting the item within 14 days is obviously against the rules but that's not mentioned in the OP's grievance. So keep it to what it is.
Is there some rule against listing the item for sale elsewhere?
I sold a knife awhile back. I listed it here and a couple of other places. Another BF member saw it for sale on another site first and I sold it to him pending funds outside of any forum. While waiting for the funds to clear I received a response here. I could not sell it to that person because it was already sold pending funds. The person understood. Once the funds cleared I closed the thread. Everything went fine. I wouldn't appreciate being called unethical because I couldn't sell one knife to two different people.
But pets backup a little because that's a little different scenario. Say I was in negotiations with someone and I wanted to sell it to the person I'm negotiating with because he's working outside of my listed price but I'm interested in his offering. Then someone else comes up and asks me if it's still for sale. Well, it is and I say so. So that person, without any prompting from me, sends me money. I never said I'd sell it to him right then. He never asked for me to obligate myself to selling my knife to him. He assumed that because he knew where he could pay me that I was going to automatically sell to him. Well, that's not the case. Sorry. I can understand the frustration but I can't understand a negative itrader point and I can't understand someone calling me unethical because that person operated with ALOT of assumptions. Maybe the OP should've simply confirmed a deal first rather than simply confirming that the knife is still on the market and then sending money to someone he doesn't know.
I wouldn't do that, I don't know why the OP thought he could. Live and learn for the OP. Confirm the deal before getting your hopes up.
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You will notice that I said what I did say. No need to try to twist what I said. It is right there. You can read it. I am dealing with facts, not speculation. He withdrew 11 items. It matters not why or what he did with those items later. It is the first rule to selling here.
What's the first rule? So because he withdrew from a BF sale means he wasn't interested in selling? You're assuming he didn't sell it or didn't have the intention to sell it. That's you speculating about his motives, friend. No offense.
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