Be Honest... Would you pay $625 for this knife?

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Boris74 said:
I'm happy you use your $750.00 knife for construction. So let's see how beat up it is, all my knives I use (all of them) are pretty beat up. A quick pic will tell us how much you use it. I'm hoping for a well worn scratched scuffed up picture where no one would offer you $50.00 for it. Let's see it.
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So, unless we treat our tools like cavemen and beat the snot out of them like you it means our knives are not getting used? Yet another flaw in basic logic.
 
Boris74 said:
You're making me wonder here. It is a very much common steel in Scandinavian knives like Puukkos and Leuku knives. Like I said it works good in softer woods like Scandinavia is scattered with, not so much where I live. Yeah yeah, he can heat treat it harder to combat that, but when the Scandinavians do that you will easily break a nice chip to chunk out of the edge on harder woods. Seen that happen.

I'm happy you use your $750.00 knife for construction. So let's see how beat up it is, all my knives I use (all of them) are pretty beat up. A quick pic will tell us how much you use it. I'm hoping for a well worn scratched scuffed up picture where no one would offer you $50.00 for it. Let's see it.

It might beat a Glock, but we have to find someone who has used one for 11 years and deployed three times as an 11B with it to give it fair comparison. I doubt anyone would use it like that, so it's not really fair to compare it to one. Until proven otherwise, yes my Glock knife will and can do (done) more.

I'm not seeing anyone say they use it and that's a snazzy pic of some high dollar knives that look unused there. Nothing wrong with that, you just can't say it will be better based solely on theory or pretty pictures.

1095 holds up better in the woods than that steel does is what I'm saying and that if that knife cost $50.00, with that steel, I know a $30.00 1095 blade will be better out back at my favorite fishing spots on the river. That's all, price is inane, I'm talking about the steel.

I'm Waiting to see them well worn finish pictures of one and tales of years of heavy use. That's what interests me, not big price tags.
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I had almost a grand into this Busse Nuclear Meltdown Fusion Battle Mistress (as new when I got it); one example of hard use include chopping an old aluminum toboggan completely in half (sideways, not lengthwise); another time I diced up a metal drip pan from my old barbecue just for poops and giggles; does that qualify?

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It was still quite sharp afterwards. INFI is awesome stuff and this knife exceeded my expectations in terms of hard use as well as lived up to the "hype".
 
Boris74 said:
You're making me wonder here. It is a very much common steel in Scandinavian knives like Puukkos and Leuku knives. Like I said it works good in softer woods like Scandinavia is scattered with, not so much where I live. Yeah yeah, he can heat treat it harder to combat that, but when the Scandinavians do that you will easily break a nice chip to chunk out of the edge on harder woods. Seen that happen.

I'm happy you use your $750.00 knife for construction. So let's see how beat up it is, all my knives I use (all of them) are pretty beat up. A quick pic will tell us how much you use it. I'm hoping for a well worn scratched scuffed up picture where no one would offer you $50.00 for it. Let's see it.



It might beat a Glock, but we have to find someone who has used one for 11 years and deployed three times as an 11B with it to give it fair comparison. I doubt anyone would use it like that, so it's not really fair to compare it to one. Until proven otherwise, yes my Glock knife will and can do (done) more.

I'm not seeing anyone say they use it and that's a snazzy pic of some high dollar knives that look unused there. Nothing wrong with that, you just can't say it will be better based solely on theory or pretty pictures.

1095 holds up better in the woods than that steel does is what I'm saying and that if that knife cost $50.00, with that steel, I know a $30.00 1095 blade will be better out back at my favorite fishing spots on the river. That's all, price is inane, I'm talking about the steel.

I'm Waiting to see them well worn finish pictures of one and tales of years of heavy use. That's what interests me, not big price tags.
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Yet another post where you keep pushing this "I'm the only one here who uses his knives" nonsense. It might be better to spend the limited years you have left doing something more productive.
 
craytab said:
So, unless we treat our tools like cavemen and beat the snot out of them like you it means our knives are not getting used? Yet another flaw in basic logic.
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no, the flaw is yours. I have pointed out the steel is not even a great performer, just average to good in soft woods, and in hard woods it will be put up in favor of another. That's not beating on it like a caveman, that's just experience telling me what I'm telling you. That obviously offends you, oh well.

I said a knife costing $50.00 that size in that steel does not perform as good as a $30.00 knife in 1095 does. If you have other experiences with that steel by all means tell everyone. All I read is you need some talcum powder. I'm not reading how you use that knife and using it normally will put a lot of wear on it, like it will any other knife. It's price will not reduce wear.

The person best served by my post is the person maybe thinking of getting one. In another steel it might be worth it (even at $50.00) but ignoring price completely, the steel in that blade will be lacking completely in use. It will make a hell of a smooth polished very keen edge though and that may be the motivation to use the steel.
 
He's got a big name...I suspect he makes good knives. I don't mind spending money on a good knife, but I could find almost three nice SurviveKnives from Guy in GSO 5.1, 4.1 and 3.5 for that price. I've had three of Guy's GSO series, in S90V, 20CV and CPM-3V, and the quality is just perfect, IMO.
 
Boris74 said:
no, the flaw is yours.
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Really :rolleyes:

Boris74 said:
I have pointed out the steel is not even a great performer, just average to good in soft woods, and in hard woods it will be put up in favor of another. That's not beating on it like a caveman, that's just experience telling me what I'm telling you. That obviously offends you, oh well.
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Thing is, no one is reading what you have to say on the subject since you have gone out of your way several times to bash respected members and your perceived lack in use of their knives.

Boris74 said:
All I read is you need some talcum powder.
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What the hell is this supposed to mean? Seriously, is this some old timey insult or something. :confused:

Boris74 said:
I'm not reading how you use that knife and using it normally will put a lot of wear on it, like it will any other knife. It's price will not reduce wear.
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That's good because I never said I have used that knife. Try to keep up, okay?

Boris74 said:
The person best served by my post is the person maybe thinking of getting one. In another steel it might be worth it (even at $50.00) but ignoring price completely, the steel in that blade will be lacking completely in use. It will make a hell of a smooth polished very keen edge though and that may be the motivation to use the steel.
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And I would advise that the person reading this and thinking of buying this knife completely disregard your posts as they are specifically targeted at arguing and putting down other members. No one needs advice from such a source.
 
Maybe we need to distinguish between objective performance and subjective coolness. I don't believe that anyone can objectively demonstrate that this knife chops and slices at a level so superior to everything else on the market as to justify its cost. I call horse hockey on that one. But if a guy just wants it because he thinks it cool, then that's his business. We get grumpy and squabble with each other when we don't make that distinction.
 
If I'm not mistaken, that is a production knife, not a custom?

I've paid those prices for Busse, but for sone reason, I would not pay that much for this production knife.

Any one know what that steel approximates?
 
Bigfattyt said:
If I'm not mistaken, that is a production knife, not a custom?

I've paid those prices for Busse, but for sone reason, I would not pay that much for this production knife.

Any one know what that steel approximates?
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According to some, 8cr13Mov is better. You don't need this Winkler, just get a Shrade. LOL
 
I thought Mr. Winkler used to use 3v and 52100 but made the switch to 80crv2 because be found it better suited for "hard-use" applications. Could be off on this but I feel I remember coming across it at some point.

If that's the case, and also based on my limited info that both 3v and 52100 are quite tough, and that Mr. Winkler made the switch, I find it strange that Boris suggests this steel is no bueno for chopping or that its performance will be subpar.
 
trevitrace said:
I thought Mr. Winkler used to use 3v and 52100 but made the switch to 80crv2 because be found it better suited for "hard-use" applications. Could be off on this but I feel I remember coming across it at some point.

If that's the case, and also based on my limited info that both 3v and 52100 are quite tough, and that Mr. Winkler made the switch, I find it strange that Boris suggests this steel is no bueno for chopping or that its performance will be subpar.
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80CRV2 High Carbon Steel

is as similar to 1084 - but with a few minor alloying elements - most notably, just enough vanadium for grain refinement.

Typical Chemistry: Carbon 0.81 Silicon 0.32 Manganese 0.42 Phosphorus 0.006 Sulfur 0.002 Chromium 0.54 Nickel .075 Molybdenum 0.016 Vanadium 0.17
 
Nope. His designs never speak to me (except for the hatchets). At least this one has micarta scales; they're typically listed as "rubber".....
 
To be brutally honest, I think I'd rather buy an Ontario Hudson Bay knife. This pictured Winkler knife just doesn't do it for me. I don't think I'd pay more than $50 for it, let alone 650. But if someone else did, I promise not to laugh. To each, his own.
 
For the folks questioning the performance of 80crv2. I came across this video by Stilwell Knives. I have no personal experience with this steel, I just thought this video might help people understand why 80crv2 would be used for a hard use knife.
[video=youtube;mp7XM7g8tdg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp7XM7g8tdg[/video]
 
My favorite medium-size blade is a Winkler 2 Belt Knife, there's just something about the ergonomics and grip of the knife that make it stand out from the pack! You just don't really understand until you put your hands on one!Now I can't speak for this particular knife but I have a Esee jungalas that is just a bit larger and is $167 that could either come close or perform as well as this Beauty from Winkler. I suppose the added price in conjunction with his other blades, has to do with the steel being used in this particular Camp knife? I would say if you have the money to spend then grab it up, if not, grab you a Esee jungalas or if you want to meet somewhere in between, a Survive! Knives GSO 10!
 
It seems like a trend lately , which I want no part of. looking through the whats new in a lot of online knife stores, knives like this and others that seem to be hundreds more than they should be are the norm. its getting so crazy seeing 300-600.00 fixed blades,800.00 framelocks,im basicly done with spending big money like this on knives.I just don't think they are worth it to me anymore to put this kind of money into these knives.
 
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