Be VERY Careful with infidel86!...

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I just did a deal with infidel86 a couple of days ago. Upon receiving the three custom blades he bought, at GREAT prices, he decided he didn't want them and said the mistake was his, as he misread my thread. I told him it was a done deal, as I'm not responsible for his mistake. I mentioned that I am ALWAYS responsible for any / all mistakes on my end, but that I won't be responsible for his, or anyone else's mistakes.

He claims that I didn't say the sale is final. I told him that even with trades, most of the time a deal is done, once the items are shipped. I mentioned that one of the knives was $300 new to me and that I sold both customs to him for $265 shipped...this means I paid for shipping, as well as, PP fees...$257 + change in my pocket. I also mentioned to him that he never even thanked me for the FREE (10 of each), white skulls and black spacer beads I included with the knives, inexpensive items, but I didn't have to GIVE him a damn thing!

I told him I'm not a retailer, just a private individual and that he got a GREAT deal on TWO GREAT CUSTOM knives, not to mention the custom sheaths for each...TWO for the larger knife...one kydex and the other a black, leather slip sheath.

His reply today was, Thanks for the "gracious" gift, but he still wants his money back...threatening to put in a claim with PayPal.

So, as I'm not a retailer, just a private individual, I'm going to give him three options:
1) Sell the knives on his own, which he will probably make more money than he paid.
2) Return the knives in person, in the same condition in which he received them, plus the "gracious" gift and I'll only charge him a 70% re-stocking fee ($79.50 to him).
3) Return the knives and the "gracious" gift, by mail and I'll only charge him a 90% re-stocking fee ($26.50 to him).

Hey, after all like I said, I'm not a retailer so I get to make my own re-stocking fee rules.

What I forgot to mention to the INGRATE, when I mentioned that he never thanked me for the FREE ("gracious") gift was, I was contacted by email, by two other individuals on another site, about the knives he bought. I didn't mark them SOLD on that sight, before they contacted me about the knives. I told them that the knives were spoken for...that they were SOLD.

So this guy, infidel86 (I'll withhold his real name at this point), expects his money back. He will not accept any PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY...not for the fact that I may have been able to sell them to someone else...nor for the fact that he got an AMAZING DEAL...NOT FOR THE FACT THAT THE MISTAKE IS HIS!!

Be VERY cautious if you deal with this guy (infidel86)...he expects to be compensated for his buyer's remorse and fuck anyone else, who is put out! One more thing...should he file a claim with PayPal and they side with him instead of a LOYAL and HONEST customer they've had for years, then they won't have to close my account, I'll do it for them. I can always accept payment by personal check and a USPS money order.

Thanks for reading.
Stay safe, birdave.
 
So what is he claiming was his mistake?

Seems like he purchased the knives from a reputable member and simply changed his mind
 
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birdave said:
He claims that I didn't say the sale is final. I told him that even with trades, most of the time a deal is done, once the items are shipped.

Thanks for reading.
Stay safe, birdave.
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That is not really the rule of thumb here. Trades (and transactions) are generally considered done when both parties receive their items as described and are satisfied.

Most extend that to all transactions, yet sales are a little different in nature.

He paid you money which cleared and you sent him the items (and extras) which were received as advertised. That sounds like an ideal transaction and should be the end of it when it is two private parties are involved.


The person that made the mistake should be the one to rectify it. In this case, that would mean that the buyer eats his mistake and keeps the knives. Yet, some would want their buyer to be happy and take the refund back and just sell it to the next in line. Don't know what I'd do in this situation.


I am curious to hear @infidel86 's take on this and also what the PayPal dispute will be. Items not received or as described doesn't sound like it'd play since they were received as advertised.



PS. OP, i understand why you're upset but remember that cooler heads prevail.
 
benchwarmer380 said:
He read the ad wrong and thought it had a different grind. There is a profile message exchange on infidel86's profile that proceeds this post. https://www.bladeforums.com/members/infidel86.399034/#profile-post-21219
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Ok, now it makes much more sense. He did make a mistake, and unfortunately it is his mistake. If he files a PayPal claim he will have to lie to file it.

I totally understand the OP’s frustration here. Not only did he do nothing wrong, he also sweetened the deal in the form of freebies(whether asked for or not).
 
@infidel86 we would like to hear your side of this.

For anyone interested the back and forth was well publicized on his visitor page.
 
I guess that he didn’t know about the chisel grind on one knife; this has happened to others, even when buying new Cold Steel chisel grinds by mistake. I was less than thrilled myself, after buying one.
Since you’re looking at a PayPal claim, damage control through compromise would be the best approach. Even if you could control the return, because of a postal money order payment, it still would color your reputation here on the forum. Just work it out, and get the buyer to pay the return shipping, since he didn’t do the right research.
Also, I would say that sometimes unusual or unexpected features on a knife, should be highlighted in the sales thread, as a preventative measure.
 
Birdave, I get that you're steamed; but you should probably step back and reconsider your approach in this thread. I don't necessarily agree to the Deal's not done mantra that is often thrown in here, as I've seen people use it to buy knives to sample and return...and, as you pointed out, we aren't retailers. The only knife I returned to a member was at his suggestion. I had planned on selling the knife myself; but decided to take him up on his offer...and included funds to cover his shipping costs with the knife, so he was truly not out anything for having dealt with me. Still, with your "restocking fee", you're coming off as a giant d***he - either let him return the knives or don't.
As far as the sheaths you mentioned including - they were listed in the ad as being included, so I'm not sure why you are making an issue of it.
The gracious gift - well such things are hit or miss. Skulls and beads? A nice gesture, sure...but depending on the recipient, they might not have been appreciated.
I started to say something about PayPal; but decided that it would be best to send you that in a privage message
 
his real name and address is on that link to his profile page. hopefully y'all can work it out somehow.
 
Well that is not good buying etiquette by him. An adult would take responsibility for their mistake. But I would have him send the knives etc back to you at his expense, once received refund him the money, and never deal with him again. You already have likely replacement buyers, and in the long term it will enhance your reputation here.
 
Replacement buyers are no longer interested...already contacted them. I clearly stated that the knife in question, has a chisel grind...hence his admission of a mistake on his part. Of course my re-stocking fees are ridiculous...as is his buyer's remorse Bullshit...that's why I put the re-stocking fees at what I did. You can bet for sure, that I'll never deal with him again. It would be nice if he showed some Personal Responsibility, since it is his mistake...the thread is clear as to the grind...Personal Responsibility...hmmm, is that a thing of the past, Insipid Moniker?

Thanks to all of you for weighing in...stay safe, birdave.
 
Sounds like he only wants to return 1 knife . He admitted he made a mistake and did offer to pay for the return shipping . Now a lot of people (myself included) would have just kept it and chalked it up to experience. I don't think it's cool on his part but you really won't be out anything other than some wasted time.
This whole thing is going to be a problem and you are going to expend far more time and energy here .Plus you are coming off as a hot head and your cursing at people will do you no favors .
Yeah it kind of stinks, but it's not the end of the world . Being right is not always the best or easiest way out .
Just my opinion .
 
1st I think he should accept the mistake and just sell them. That would be the proper thing to do.
However-If you aren't a dealer don't try to act like one with restocking fees that is just BS IMO
In the end he is going to file the PP claim. They will side with him. Shipping back will be on him . Why not skip the dramatics take it back and move on. It's what is going to happen anyway, unless you find a way to settle this between the 2 of you .
 
birdave said:
Replacement buyers are no longer interested...already contacted them. I clearly stated that the knife in question, has a chisel grind...hence his admission of a mistake on his part. Of course my re-stocking fees are ridiculous...as is his buyer's remorse Bullshit...that's why I put the re-stocking fees at what I did. You can bet for sure, that I'll never deal with him again. It would be nice if he showed some Personal Responsibility, since it is his mistake...the thread is clear as to the grind...Personal Responsibility...hmmm, is that a thing of the past, Insipid Moniker?

Thanks to all of you for weighing in...stay safe, birdave.
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Don't get me wrong, his behavior is very poor and he's going on my ignore list. But if you feel YOUR personal responsibility ends at the post office then I wouldn't deal with you, either.
 
It sucks, I know.....Here’s how this should end.


Refund him the money upon return shipment, and move on. If he files a PayPal dispute you lose either way. As for the restocking fee..... your not a dealer, and once he files a PayPal dispute you don’t get that either. So stop making ridiculous requests because you feel put out. Ding him a negative feedback at the end and be done with this.

Sales here are NOT done once you ship the item.... whether you like it or not. Always check to see if the person is happy, and only then is the deal done.

Personally, I think you’ve done more harm to your own reputation with this thread..... %100 feedback or not.
 
Popsickle said:
It sucks, I know.....Here’s how this should end.


Refund him the money upon return shipment, and move on. If he files a PayPal dispute you lose either way. As for the restocking fee..... your not a dealer, and once he files a PayPal dispute you don’t get that either. So stop making ridiculous requests because you feel put out. Ding him a negative feedback at the end and be done with this.

Sales here are NOT done once you ship the item.... whether you like it or not. Always check to see if the person is happy, and only then is the deal done.

Personally, I think you’ve done more harm to your own reputation with this thread..... %100 feedback or not.
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I agree with all except the leaving feedback. If they reverse the deal he can't leave the negative feedback. By BF rules(or how they are interpreted) that is not considered a completed deal/transaction. He will have to settle for this thread.
 
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Peter Hartwig said:
I agree with all except the leaving feedback. If they reverse the deal he can't leave the negative feedback. By BF rules(or how they are interpreted) that is not considered a completed deal/transaction. He will have to settle for this thread.
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I 100% stand corrected.

I misinterpreted due to the buyer making the error that feedback could be warranted. I was wrong.
 
I offered infidel86 a refund on the knife he wants to return, last night, but haven't heard a thing yet. I offered a $140 refund for a knife he paid $165 for...I feel that since it's his mistake and because I am apparently wrong about how a sale works, regardless of how up front my sales thread is, I offered that refund...along with the fact I lost a potential buyer for that item. He also gets to keep the other knife, for Less than what I paid for it. To me, this seems fair...is he void of ANY personal responsibility?

My re-stocking fees in this thread, were intentionally ridiculous, however they may have been taken seriously, by some of the posters in this thread. Do I want to refund the money, of course not...his mistake, not mine. However, as I said, I apparently got the rules of engagement wrong, when it comes to sales...no matter the honesty of the sales thread.

So, the ball is in his court, as far as I'm concerned. Why he hasn't responded yet, when he has certainly responded quickly to my other posts on his Profile Page, is a mystery.

Thanks to all, for posting in this thread. Stay safe, birdave (Joe).
 
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