Be VERY Careful with infidel86!...

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So you are still going to basically charge him a $25 "fee" to return the knife . He already said he would pay return shipping to you . Yes he is wrong . Everybody agrees .Are you happy? I'll avoid this buyer .
However you continue to come across in a negative manner and seem to be vindictive .Life is too short .
You are making yourself look bad . Just take the high road and let it go .
 
How did he not know what the blade grind was?
Is he blind?
I mean I'm not against blind people having knives but this is weird.
None of this makes any kind of sense
 
Sounds to me like OP was frustrated, but takes both his reputation and the community seriously, which is good to see. TBH, I don't think there's a totally ideal solution here, but per his last post it seems like he's trying to do his part, and good on him for that.
 
Gastonknife,
No worries...I just sent him a message to send whatever he wants back and he gets his refund. No responsibility on his part should make him happy. I don't need this Bullshit! I wasn't thinking of the $25 as a "fee", but rather a little responsibility on his part, for me having to eat the possibility of selling the knives to a previous, potential buyer I could've had...if you want to call that a fee, your choice.

By the way, this happened before to me and I did reach out to the previous, potential buyer I had and the guy still wanted the knife that was being returned...and I gave that guy another $10 off of the sale price, because he had to wait for the knife to be returned to me, before I could send it to him...not patting myself on the back, just stating the facts and how I am to deal with.

I'm sure that I'll hear from infidel86 now, as he doesn't have to be responsible for Anything. Yeah, I was pissed...I expect people to be able to understand my clear threads...99% do. Thanks to you All for posting, it's appreciated.

Stay safe, birdave (Joe).
 
@infidel86 may not seem to bear any responsibility,..but the fact that this thread exists says he does for those that go looking.
Unfortunately, these threads can be double edged in their existence; hurting both the buyer and the seller as would appear by some of the comments dropped in it.
The takeaway is, leave the emotion out of the deal- Yes, it's frustrating but given the chance, most would work both sides to a mutually acceptable outcome.
I certainly don't need or want my name showing up in these kinds of threads, so I suffer my mistakes and move on. A few dollars isn't worth the hit my reputation would take and that goes for buying and selling.
 
bhyde said:
@infidel86 may not seem to bear any responsibility,..but the fact that this thread exists says he does for those that go looking.
Unfortunately, these threads can be double edged in their existence; hurting both the buyer and the seller as would appear by some of the comments dropped in it.
The takeaway is, leave the emotion out of the deal- Yes, it's frustrating but given the chance, most would work both sides to a mutually acceptable outcome.
I certainly don't need or want my name showing up in these kinds of threads, so I suffer my mistakes and move on. A few dollars isn't worth the hit my reputation would take and that goes for buying and selling.
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Would be nice for the buyer to come here and explain himself . I do think he is wrong in this case, listing was pretty clear >>>> if you are going to buy something READ .

With that said I do agree with what bhyde says . OP is right to be ticked, I would be too. However as I get older I have come to understand that getting all emotional hurts only me and the need to prove being "right" is not always best.
Just trying to help I suppose .
 
bhyde & Gastonknife,
I agree with both off you...I got pissed off because of someone else's mistake and the frustration came out.
You're both right...it's not worth the bullshit, to get that pissed off...I SELDOM do, believe it or not! Thank you both for weighing in.

I've offered infidel86 a refund on whatever he wants to return, but haven't heard back from him yet...who knows.
Thanks again for your comments and your time, same goes to all who weighed in, truly appreciated.
Stay safe Joe (birdave in BF).
 
Birdave, you are kind to sell a knife to a disabled person, and I like the way you treated him just like any other person.

Seriously, how did he not know about the grind? As a new knife enthusiast I'd like to know what to look for if just looking and reading are not good enough.
 
Brawny,
Thanks. I got too pissed off when some responsibility on his part, wasn't accepted. Ask for any info you want about a knife you're considering buying and ask for as many pics. as reasonably possible. Checking a person's feedback always helps as you can see what other forum members think about the individual you're considering buying from.

Thanks again, good luck, stay safe, Joe (birdave).
 
Hate to say it but if he decides to file a claim with PP he as a buyer is holding all the cards.

as long as he has proof of returning the items they will give him his money back . all of it. whether there is kicking and screaming involved or not. You gave PP the power when you signed up with them. and they almost always side with the buyer. I would just ask him to return the knives and if they come back ok then issue the refund and move on .

Been through it myself and its a lesson to be learned about selling . that's why I try not to do it anymore
 
bhyde said:
The takeaway is, leave the emotion out of the deal- Yes, it's frustrating but given the chance, most would work both sides to a mutually acceptable outcome.
I certainly don't need or want my name showing up in these kinds of threads, so I suffer my mistakes and move on. A few dollars isn't worth the hit my reputation would take and that goes for buying and selling.
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+1000000. Personally any time I read these focus on winning threads (mistakes, bad form, bad etiquette, no real intent of fraud or harm + lots of emotion), I never see fault or blame, just two people who like knives that will eventually get ignored or passed over on future deals due to emotional behavior in this thread many resulting in negative feedback on both sides. I would bet in most cases 1000's of $ have been spent by one or the other on knives in the last year, but emotion turns a few $ into one of these threads. Solve it, lesson learned move on, so many other things to worry about. I'm not trivializing the money aspect, just putting it into perspective as Negative feedback given as a result of these types of threads aren't worth it in my eyes.
 
OP:

Based on your side of the story without hearing the buyer's side (crickets sound from him so far) it appears that they buyer is considering to misuse PayPal for malevolence. I am glad that you used this platform to air your grievance but as some have stated already, you have also made some errors as far as many of us on here are concerned:

1- Deal is only done when the buyer receives* the goods (not when the seller ships the goods) and has had a reasonable time to inspect the item (the same day as confirmed receipt or within 24 house max?).

2- Whether a retailer or what not, if you think that you wish to implement a "re-stocking" fee, then state that very clearly in your listing. Also if your selling mantra is" All Sales Are Final, then also state that in your ads very clearly.

3- Whether you gave the buyer a "great" deal and / or threw in some freebies out of the goodness of your heart, ought to have zero bearing on the buyer's prerogative to be either satisfied or dissatisfied with the transaction. Harping on this issue, makes you look obtuse.

Good luck with this situation :thumbsup:

*: I put an asterisk there because receiving the goods means different things to different folks! To me it means that the buyer has the package and he has had a chance to inspect but if the delivery service shows delivered and then the buyer claims otherwise, issues arise and that is why I personally impose signature for the knives which I sell.
 
birdave said:
Guys...I've offered him a full refund on whatever he wants to return, providing the items aren't damaged!
No reply yet! If he files a claim with PayPal, what can he say, if I've offered a full refund on the return of undamaged items?!
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At this point you have done all you can do. He can return what he wants or keep them, but there is no reason to file a claim IMO.
I think you made the right decision. Luckily problems like this don't come up often.
There were and still are things the buyer could do to right his part, but he doesn't seem to care.
 
birdave said:
Guys...I've offered him a full refund on whatever he wants to return, providing the items aren't damaged!
No reply yet! If he files a claim with PayPal, what can he say, if I've offered a full refund on the return of undamaged items?!
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well done. it's frustrating and all but good call on how to handle this deal in the end.
 
Casinostocks,
I agree with number 1...my mistake on that, I was under the impression that if a thread is stated clearly and the person says I'll take it, the deal is a good one. As I said, my mistake on that.

with regard to you second point, I knew the restocking fees were ridiculous when I posted them, they were never intended to be something I would apply...just trying to make a point.

On number three, the freebies only came up because he was dissatisfied with the purchase, yet didn't throw in a thanks. Maybe it's just me, but if I got something with no cost attached, whether I wanted it or not, I'd thank the person that gave me the item...like I said, maybe it's just my way of thinking...and the sarcastic, "gracious gift" remark, didn't help to cool me off either.

Thank you for weighing in, it's appreciated. I now know, as of early this morning, that I was wrong to consider a deal is done, when the recipient gets the package. Which brings me to another point...I've seen members put in their threads, "All sales final"...how can this be, if the recipient of the package doesn't have the goods yet...can't that person still call off the deal once the package arrives, regardless of, "All sales final"?

Like I said, thanks for weighing in. Stay safe, Joe.
 
Peter Hartwig,
Thanks, appreciate your time and reply, as I do with everyone who has added to this thread. Still no response from the buyer...maybe by tomorrow morning, who knows?
Stay safe, Peter and thanks again, Joe.
 
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