Bear Attack (video)

"How about lets stop and change underwear boys?"
 
Even without reading the title to the thread I would have had a good idea as to what was going to happen.

Two cubs screaming for mommy:eek: not good. Now I would have missed most of it due to me falling to the bottom of the raft in the fetal position while I screamed for my mommy:o;):D
 
Yeah I have also seen some black bears move really quick up in PA. My uncle gets them on his property alot and he sends the dogs out to chase it away. This video doesn't show justice to the bear haulin A$$ toward the camera.
 
Not sure the water in front of the bear would have been my first aiming point. In fact, I'm thinking straight down her throat. :eek: Fortune smiled on all of them....
 
tarmix101 said:
Even without reading the title to the thread I would have had a good idea as to what was going to happen.

Two cubs screaming for mommy:eek: not good. Now I would have missed most of it due to me falling to the bottom of the raft in the fetal position while I screamed for my mommy:o;):D
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And I'd be downstream floating from cardiac arrest or washing the brown spray off the back of my legs. Wow, wayyyyy too close.:eek:
 
If he had let her get another 30 feet closer, he could have sprayed her with some OC spray and then waited the 5-10 seconds for it to take effect. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
nemoaz said:
If he had let her get another 30 feet closer, he could have sprayed her with some OC spray and then waited the 5-10 seconds for it to take effect. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Personally I would rather have a 12 GA with OO buck in grizzly Country.


What has been the Alaskan experience with bear pepper spray?

A: For the past several years I have been constructing a database of bear-human conflicts that have occurred in Alaska. To date the database contains nearly 500 incidents that span a century. Among these there have been only 15 that involved persons spraying bears with bear pepper spray. Of these 15 incidents where person(s) chose to use bear pepper spray to defend themselves, 13 were decided successes (87% success rate), and 2 were judged ‘failures’. In the one failure the bear charged through the spray cloud, swatted a woman to the ground, bit her in the face and left. In the other failure the bear did not leave the immediate vicinity of the hiker (it was only 15 feet away) when sprayed directly into its face. Consequently this well-armed hiker fired a bullet over the bear’s head, apparently providing enough reasons then for the bear to turn and leave. The majority of Alaskan cases involved grizzly/brown bears (12 of 15) and one bear pepper spray failure was attributed to each species.

Tom S. Smith, Ph.D.
U.S. Geological Survey
Alaska Science Center - Biological Science Office
1011 E. Tudor Rd., MS 701
Anchorage, AK 99503
Office: (907) 786-3456
Fax: (907) 786-3636
email: tom_smith@usgs.gov


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bushman14 said:
In Grizzly country, all you are doing with buckshot is pissing it off. Good luck! :)
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Where'd you get that silly idea?

Face full of 00 buck will stop any bear. I use to carry the first two rounds 00 buck and the rest slugs (3" mag)!



http://www.dnr.state.ak.us/parks/safety/bears.htm
Select a gun that will stop a bear (12-gauge shotgun or .300 mag rifle) and practice firing it at a rifle range. Any bear shot in self defense must be salvaged and turned over to the Alaska Department of Fish and Game.




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000 Buck will only slow a determined brown bear if it gets hit in the face. Problem w/ any long gun is that they are slow. Think about the positions they were in in the video and their activities. The long gun would have been laying in the bottom of the boat or there is a VERY slim chance someone would have had one slung across their back. In either case, it would not have been in the game. Hardcast slugs in the .44 would have literally a dozen times more penetration than the 000, and the best chance of being used in the situation. Their drawback is the fact that many do not shoot a handgun well. The fact that the man missed the bear could have saved their lives, due to the fact that there was no cause for the animal to increase it's aggression due to a painful but non fatal wound. All in all, it is good everyone was safe. Also, in the video, the mother is in the trees paralleling the boat. You see a flash of her when they are trying to shoo the cubs along, about 10' back from the bank. You only see her hind end for a second, and she is upstream of the cubs just a bit.
 
in bear country you keep large caliber weapon close by always, if you see or hear bear or cubs, weapon is kept at the ready position either low or high ready, chambered round and safety off, always have weapon in hand, this has decreased my reaction time by at least 1/2.

alex
 
Any Cal. said:
000 Buck will only slow a determined brown bear if it gets hit in the face. Problem w/ any long gun is that they are slow. Think about the positions they were in in the video and their activities. The long gun would have been laying in the bottom of the boat or there is a VERY slim chance someone would have had one slung across their back. In either case, it would not have been in the game. Hardcast slugs in the .44 would have literally a dozen times more penetration than the 000, and the best chance of being used in the situation. Their drawback is the fact that many do not shoot a handgun well. The fact that the man missed the bear could have saved their lives, due to the fact that there was no cause for the animal to increase it's aggression due to a painful but non fatal wound. All in all, it is good everyone was safe. Also, in the video, the mother is in the trees paralleling the boat. You see a flash of her when they are trying to shoo the cubs along, about 10' back from the bank. You only see her hind end for a second, and she is upstream of the cubs just a bit.
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Have you ever shot a bear in your life?

I have been bear hunting for over 25 years, have killed several and seen many more killed I assure you that a 12GA in 3" mag will do more then just slow one down! Out of the thirteen fishing trips I have taken to Alaska every single guide has carried a 12 with either BUCK or SLUGS. Your comments about a cast 44 slug having a dozens times more penetration is simply untrue (nowhere near that)!

Alaska Natural History Association

http://www.alaskanha.org/bears.cfm

A firearm is also an option for people who know how to use them (large caliber rifle or 12 ga shotgun with buckshot is preferred).

As far as caliber of firearm is concerned, the most commonly used in incidents with bears I have recorded is the .30-06 (23 instances of use.) The .30-06 also killed more bears that attacked (13) than any other caliber BUT this is clearly linked to frequency of use rather than effectiveness. The second most common caliber is the 12 gauge shotgun (18 instances of use against attacking bears) and - no surprise - the 12 gauge killed the second most number of bears attacking (10). I only have four instances of people using 30-30s against attacking bears; in one instance the person missed the bear but in the other three the bears were killed. Clearly sample size is a BIG issue here. There are simply too few incidents to be able to authoritatively state which caliber is best. Interestingly, eight persons carried .22 caliber rifles for bear protection (!), killing two bears (black); three used the .22 to simply scare the bear (it worked in one of three instances) and three chose (wisely) not to shoot. I don't believe any expert would recommend a .22 caliber be carried for bear protection. 30-30s, however, should do the job. Bigger isn't always better, though. For the brave few who have attempted to carry and shoot a .460 Weatherby it's safe to say it would only be good for one shot as they've been said to "kill on both ends of the stock" -the recoil is awful.
 
Dr. Mudd said:
All I've got to say is, "Thank God Sam Colt gave us big revolvers!!!"
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Thats an interesting quote and one I would have ascribed to even a year ago. But in light of a recent trip to my favorite Hog Hunting spot and being charged at less than 10 yards by a 325 lb boar I am apt to disagree wholeheartedly. In that span my dad put the boar down with my Mossberg 590, 000 buck in the face. See when the boar came out of the brush it was on the run, locked in on me, coming downhill. I wheeled around and put a round of .454 into its lower back, high on the haunch. By the time I had the thought of squeezing off a second round my dad had the 12 Gauge up and one off. Hitting it right in the head patterned mostly above the snout. Dropping it at my feet. I am in the process of selling that Ruger for a .375 H&H model 70 that I plan to use in Alaska next year sometime.

Just a personal note here, not to start a side topic.

The motto that sticks with me is this "Don't hit at all if is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft."
 
Sorry for the off-topic, but would like to mention a few things. I realize each has their own opinion and circumstances, which is as it should be. On this particular issue, there is much information and misinformation. I am not claiming to be either one. The reason I post now is simply to put forth a few data points I have on the subject, which each person can then choose to take into account or reject.

If anyone has an issue w/ them, they are more than welcome to. I am not implying the data is infallible, and do not know if the results are especially repeatable. If you are unsure of my findings feel free to test for yourself.

According to my personal testing, 3" OOO buck is outpenetrated by .44 special, factory .45 Colt, 9MM, and .44 Mag.

In my medium, 000 penetrated 1", 1 3/8oz slug penetrated 5 1/4", .44 special and .45 Colt penetrated 4-5", 9mm 6"+, and 300g hardcast at 1370fps in .44 mag went 8" before going completely through and being unmeasureable.

These were all shot into spruce logs, simply to see the merits of each particular firearm. The .44 Mag typically would go through logs smaller than 14" diameter, though no spruce that size were tested.

None of this was especially scientific. The reason I put it out is simply because it may run contrary to many people's idea on the subject. I am not suggesting that a FMJ 9mm is the ideal bear gun... simply mentioning what I found.

As has been said, many would not carry a handgun for protection. Many would not carry 000. I am recomending nothing in particular, simply putting out some info. Have a nice day.
 
Any Cal. said:
Sorry for the off-topic, but would like to mention a few things. I realize each has their own opinion and circumstances, which is as it should be. On this particular issue, there is much information and misinformation. I am not claiming to be either one. The reason I post now is simply to put forth a few data points I have on the subject, which each person can then choose to take into account or reject.

If anyone has an issue w/ them, they are more than welcome to. I am not implying the data is infallible, and do not know if the results are especially repeatable. If you are unsure of my findings feel free to test for yourself.

According to my personal testing, 3" OOO buck is outpenetrated by .44 special, factory .45 Colt, 9MM, and .44 Mag.

In my medium, 000 penetrated 1", 1 3/8oz slug penetrated 5 1/4", .44 special and .45 Colt penetrated 4-5", 9mm 6"+, and 300g hardcast at 1370fps in .44 mag went 8" before going completely through and being unmeasureable.

These were all shot into spruce logs, simply to see the merits of each particular firearm. The .44 Mag typically would go through logs smaller than 14" diameter, though no spruce that size were tested.

None of this was especially scientific. The reason I put it out is simply because it may run contrary to many people's idea on the subject. I am not suggesting that a FMJ 9mm is the ideal bear gun... simply mentioning what I found.

As has been said, many would not carry a handgun for protection. Many would not carry 000. I am recomending nothing in particular, simply putting out some info. Have a nice day.
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ballistic gelatin tests

12GA:
http://www.brassfetcher.com/12 gauge.html

9MM:
http://www.brassfetcher.com/9mm Luger.html

44 SPECIAL:
http://www.brassfetcher.com/.44 Special.html

44 MAG:
http://www.brassfetcher.com/.44 Magnum.html
 
I though these guys were kind of slow to react...at the first sight of the cubs I would of reach my gun and told the order guys to paddle to the other side of the river, but in the end they all survived so I guess they did the right thing!!!
 
All I can say is, if that fellow DIDN'T have a gun in his hand when the female charged, he has one of the fastest draws on the planet!

I am very impressed.

Andy
 
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