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Bear Grylls Gerber knife
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All I am saying is that the sandvik works real well and both steels are used in everyday inexpensive knives from hunting and fishing to meat packing and food preparation basically they are quite even one makes 10 more cuts than other? Btw I thought almost all SV30 is finished off at 60 rc? In reality people who use knives every day like a butcher is not going to spend $200 plus on a SV30 knife. It's amazing how these steel companies come up with new better steels every year. Years ago all the makers were using 440c than it was 154cm then ATS 34 followed BG42,VG10,SV30 the list can go on and on most of this was hype buy my knife it has the newer better steel. Boy how did mankind survive without all these fancy steels for their knives for the past 3,000 yrs.:rolleyes
All I am saying is that the sandvik works real well and both steels are used in everyday inexpensive knives from hunting and fishing to meat packing and food preparation basically they are quite even one makes 10 more cuts than other? Btw I thought almost all SV30 is finished off at 60 rc? In reality people who use knives every day like a butcher is not going to spend $200 plus on a SV30 knife. It's amazing how these steel companies come up with new better steels every year. Years ago all the makers were using 440c than it was 154cm then ATS 34 followed BG42,VG10,SV30 the list can go on and on most of this was hype buy my knife it has the newer better steel. Boy how did mankind survive without all these fancy steels for their knives for the past 3,000 yrs.:rolleyes
Gotchya. You said the above, so thats what kinda threw me off. Either way no biggie. I think we're on the same page.
Fallen1
Btw I thought almost all SV30 is finished off at 60 rc? In reality people who use knives every day like a butcher is not going to spend $200 plus on a SV30 knife. It's amazing how these steel companies come up with new better steels every year. Years ago all the makers were using 440c than it was 154cm then ATS 34 followed BG42,VG10,SV30 the list can go on and on most of this was hype buy my knife it has the newer better steel. Boy how did mankind survive without all these fancy steels for their knives for the past 3,000 yrs.:rolleyes
I think for the most part they give a range when giving the rc rating. I know Spidies have tested out at 58 but im not sure of their range. Chris Reeve lists 58-59 I think ive seen his as low as 57, and Zero Tolerance lists 58-59. 60 might be gettin a little on the brittle side, but I havent used one rated that high.
The selection of steels is gettin pretty crazy, however its nice to not have to sharpen every other day.
haha. :thumbup: Indeed.
This is also intriguing...and adds to the whole marketing side of things.(or "joke" as I like to call it)
http://outdoorsurvivalclothes.com/p_31803/Product_Archive.html
This site says Bears previous knife was about $700us. It is. Found here:
http://www.bayleyknife.com/site/s4.aspx
The second part thats funny? This knife is made of RWL Steel, which almost has the exact same composition as CPM154.
http://zknives.com/knives/steels/steelgraph.php?nm=RWL-34,CPM154&gm=0
$700 for this knife? Im sorry, but whoever pays 700 bucks for a 4 inch blade in a steel thats basically cpm154 with g10 scales as plain-jane as this is an idiot, hand made or not. Bear probably didnt pay for it, but still. JMHO.
http://outdoorsurvivalclothes.com/p_31803/Product_Archive.html
This site says Bears previous knife was about $700us. It is. Found here:
http://www.bayleyknife.com/site/s4.aspx
The second part thats funny? This knife is made of RWL Steel, which almost has the exact same composition as CPM154.
http://zknives.com/knives/steels/steelgraph.php?nm=RWL-34,CPM154&gm=0
$700 for this knife? Im sorry, but whoever pays 700 bucks for a 4 inch blade in a steel thats basically cpm154 with g10 scales as plain-jane as this is an idiot, hand made or not. Bear probably didnt pay for it, but still. JMHO.
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Well, you are wrong, and it has nothing to do with opinion. A properly ground serrated edge will cut for days, weeks longer than a plain edge. That's a fact. A plain edge blade requires maintenance ever day or two, depending on the steel, to do it's job. A serrated blade will do it's job for ages with no issues.
Thinking that your opinion means anything in that matter is foolish, and any amount of actual experience with both edge formats in a work, rather than pampered desk knife environment, would educate you otherwise.
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The Bayley knife is a custom. Your not only paying for the G-10, leather and RWL steel, but also for the time a custom maker puts into the making of the knife. Just like any other custom maker.
If you take the pound/dollar strength into consideration, then its comparable in price, to other customs from well-known makers.
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It all depends on what you are cutting! If you cut rope and fiberous material all day than serrations are great. If you filet fish cut meat or carve wood than straight edge has the advantage even you need to sharpen it more often it just comes down to what you are cutting. If I were dropped in to a jungle or a wooded area I would do much better with a straight edge than with a completely serrated blade. The science behind serrations is quite simple The teeth do half the cutting while protecting the scalloped cutting section and preventing most of the wear on the edge. Serrations also add more linear length to the cutting edge. Once the teeth on the serrations wear down it starts putting stress on the scalloped section which become dull faster. Btw J85909266 please tell us on what and how you use your serrated knife on an everyday basis to support your claim?
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Gracious! but I do love this forum.
The amount of snobs who wouldn't venture into their backyard without an XM-18 or a Sebenza; the experts who learned all they know from reading the posts of some 13-year old in his basement; the poseurs who claim that they know as much about knife selection as a Navy SEAL because they once drove by a naval base where a SEAL spent the night; all contribute so much intelligent information to the postings that my head fills up and almost bursts every day with all the new "facts" I read.
The simple truth of the matter is that those who use knives really, really hard every day are probably carrying a Leatherman tool and a SRK, assuming that their First Sergeant allows them to carry anything at all. Why? Because that is what they can buy in the PX for $40 and they don't see much other need to buy anything more expensive. After all, a knife is a knife, and as long as it cuts when is needed why spend more?
And, if they lose the $40 special, they won't be crying because they are out $500 for a S30V or D4 blade, like I saw a guy do on Sicily DZ when his Randall Model 14 (that he had saved for some months to buy) for came out of its sheath when he got flipped upside down before his chute opened and he watched it quickly drop into the woods beneath him. I suppose it is still there, altho that was 30 years ago and maybe somebody found it by now.
And how did mankind ever evolve out of the stone age when all we had to cut things with was a piece of sharpened flint?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it would be nice to see some that are based upon a little more reason, and formed with some common sense.
The amount of snobs who wouldn't venture into their backyard without an XM-18 or a Sebenza; the experts who learned all they know from reading the posts of some 13-year old in his basement; the poseurs who claim that they know as much about knife selection as a Navy SEAL because they once drove by a naval base where a SEAL spent the night; all contribute so much intelligent information to the postings that my head fills up and almost bursts every day with all the new "facts" I read.
The simple truth of the matter is that those who use knives really, really hard every day are probably carrying a Leatherman tool and a SRK, assuming that their First Sergeant allows them to carry anything at all. Why? Because that is what they can buy in the PX for $40 and they don't see much other need to buy anything more expensive. After all, a knife is a knife, and as long as it cuts when is needed why spend more?
And, if they lose the $40 special, they won't be crying because they are out $500 for a S30V or D4 blade, like I saw a guy do on Sicily DZ when his Randall Model 14 (that he had saved for some months to buy) for came out of its sheath when he got flipped upside down before his chute opened and he watched it quickly drop into the woods beneath him. I suppose it is still there, altho that was 30 years ago and maybe somebody found it by now.
And how did mankind ever evolve out of the stone age when all we had to cut things with was a piece of sharpened flint?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it would be nice to see some that are based upon a little more reason, and formed with some common sense.
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JLK - I love it. You've hit the nail on the head man, and I appreciate you putting into words everything I've thought.
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Ancient wisdom says ---
Never let someone else's opinion bother you.
Lol , Why do so many of you seem to take Bear personally ?
Agreed.
There is altogether too much personal animosity in this thread.
Forum rules advise you to discuss the topic, not each other.
No way man. Search right here on the forums, or any forum for that matter. To me this is a $350 knife at best. Would YOU spend $700 on this knife like this if you were in the market for one comparable? Very good production companies make outstanding knives like this for under 200. The pound/dollar strength doesn't have a whole lot to do with it. In this case its more of a dollar/value comparison. $700us is $700us. I dont care how strong the pound is. Worth, is worth. And right now the GPB is down and the USD is up.
Thanks for letting me know what a custom entails.
But, like I posted, everything I said was based off my opinion. Bayley can charge whatever he thinks his time is worth but regardless, even if someone does think its worth 700 bucks, it doesnt make em less of an idiot in my book. 
Ok, "idiot" might be a little harsh. Foolish probably, ignorant definitely. To each his own though, I cant speak for someone else as to their personal opinion of worth. Again, jmo.No way man. Search right here on the forums, or any forum for that matter. To me this is a $350 knife at best. Would YOU spend $700 on this knife like this if you were in the market for one comparable? Very good production companies make outstanding knives like this for under 200. The pound/dollar strength doesn't have a whole lot to do with it. In this case its more of a dollar/value comparison. $700us is $700us. I dont care how strong the pound is. Worth, is worth. And right now the GPB is down and the USD is up.
Thanks for letting me know what a custom entails.
Ummm a GBP is worth about $1.6 right now, and the price for the knife on the site is GBP 445.
It is pointless to criticize people on what they consider to be "valuable". Some people might call the vast majority of posters on this forum unreasonable for spending as much money as we do on knives. If YOU think the knife is a terrible value, I have a brilliant idea: Don't buy one. But don't go around calling people foolish and ignorant if they wish to spend their greenbacks on the blade. To make a large generality that "everybody that buys this particular blade is ignorant and foolish" is far more ignorant than choosing to purchase your hard-earned cash on what a lot of people probably think is a very cool blade.
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Who is this Bear Grillys person? And where can I get this knife?
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Couldnt have said it better myself :thumbup:
Wow, that was pointless. Do you feel better?
No, it wasn't pointless. The point of my post was/is: Keep your ignorant assessments of people and their harmless self-indulgences to yourself.
What was the point of YOUR post? To educate all the potential ignorant and foolish purchasers of the Bear Grylls knife that there are better deals than $700 for a fixed blade? If so, thank you on behalf of bladeforums. I am sure none of us knew that $700 was a lot of money for that knife...