Bear Grylls VS Les Stroud Knife Deathmatch!

coping said:
Well I can guarantee an increased life expectancy and easyer living in a survival situation if you try your best to not use your knife, but manufacture one yourself from whats around you as much as you can.

This is not opinion..

You cannot guarantee anyones safety over prolonged time if they dive into anything with their knife, especially since theres no means to recreate another blade of fine steel when stranded.

The only reason for such claims is to increase economy, which isnt nescessarily a problem.
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Of course, this is opinion. Your opinion.

Bless your heart, sir! A very generous sacrifice! I'm sure you will leave behind some fine unused gear for the next 'survivor' in line... :thumbup:
 
coping said:
Well I can guarantee an increased life expectancy and easyer living in a survival situation if you try your best to not use your knife, but manufacture one yourself from whats around you as much as you can.

This is not opinion..

You cannot guarantee anyones safety over prolonged time if they dive into anything with their knife, especially since theres no means to recreate another blade of fine steel when stranded.

The only reason for such claims is to increase economy, which isnt nescessarily a problem.
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It is opinion as it relates to a prospective future - not to facts. You weigh the downside of using a tool to meet needs against the prospect that some future need will not be met because the tool has been used.

A fact would appear to be that no one agrees with your opinion. Think upon that. mere mortal.

Want to tell us anything about the knives you would use if you used knives?
 
Thomas Linton said:
It is opinion as it relates to a prospective future - not to facts. You weigh the downside of using a tool to meet needs against the prospect that some future need will not be met because the tool has been used.

A fact would appear to be that no one agrees with your opinion. Think upon that. mere mortal.

Want to tell us anything about the knives you would use if you used knives?
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So yours and everyone elses opinion is the same as you described my *opinion* as. Prospective future and no fact but less educated than mine?

The only fact is you cant keep it in the sheath ;)
 
Well, this has been an effective thread-drift which is too bad b/c it was otherwise an interesting discussion.
 
Like the fella's mentioned here in this thread, namely Les Stround (hard as a coffin nail, read his bio) or Bear Grylls (prolly the toughest man on the planet, let's see any of ya'll swim a frozen edged river buck ass nekkid, then do "press ups" to warm up"), I've spent a little time in the outdoors. From Arizona to the Pine Barrens to the Swamps of Louisiana, Florida, and most places in between.

Survival is a mindset, not tools. If you got tools, then great, go with it. If you don't have tools, then you better get started making some. We started off wearing skins, making what we needed from what we found around. I've made a bow drill kit from a broken bottle, and ultimately fire, thanks to a post here on BFC in the WS&S forum.

Tools matter none, the man is the measure and the mind is what makes survival.

Now, back to Les kickin' Bear's ass.

:D

Moose
 
Shame about this thread, makes me realise that they're still a long way off teaching a chimp to type.

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Raymond1000 said:
Your close. On some Pacific island, I saw him make his harmonica into a fish spear.
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Just as useless, I may not watch him enough, but he is a piss poor fisherman.

I don't think I've ever seen him catch a fish, and he's def gone hungry
and ended up playing the blues on that damn harp instead.

When I go alone into the woods, I carry an appropriate knife
(well, last time it was actually seven :rolleyes:).
 
fuzzwuzz133 said:
Anybody who advises drinking urine in my books to survive isn't worthy for me to spend my money on.
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Quoted because I found this comment just... stupid and ignorant.

Aside from what Bear does on his shows, there have been tons of stories where people have had to drink their own urine in order to survive. Survive doesn't mean to thrive. When your life is on the line you do what you have to do in order to stay alive. However, you might not last too long if you had to.
 
Maniacal Pete said:
Just as useless, I may not watch him enough, but he is a piss poor fisherman.

I don't think I've ever seen him catch a fish, and he's def gone hungry
and ended up playing the blues on that damn harp instead.

When I go alone into the woods, I carry an appropriate knife
(well, last time it was actually seven :rolleyes:).
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As fish spears go, it made a darned good harmonica. :D
 
So after 6 pages of discussion does anyone here actually have a Bear Grylls knife AND a Les Stroud knife to compare? (I mean the mass produced lower priced ones not the Bayley and Helle knives).
 
I dunno which knives are better. But I do know that Les Stroud is a better survivalist any day of the week.
 
JJalenak said:
So, as a relative newbie just getting into knives, and celebrity endorsement aside, who would everyone recommend for a 'survival knife'? Fixed blade, or folder? Why?
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Iv'e always liked full tang fixed blades better, they are more multi purpose. you can cut, chop, use as a spearhead, even hammer with some and not have to worry about it coming apart. (that's my personal fear with a folding knife)
 
HardTripper said:
The Gerber line is trash and we all know it, the Temagami is a "real" knife and us awesome. Is swear by looking at the Camillus stuff that its no damn good, but when proded Les stood up and vouched for the stuff saying he designed and tested them from the ground up to be dependable quality stuff. 440 with polypropylene handles isn't a Busse or anything but is try them before trashing them, I trust Les' integrity .
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I trust Les Too. I like his show and his books. I have heard speculation that his contracts left him limited control over the finished product. That coupled with wanting to keep his knife affordable to the average Joe left his product functional but nothing special.

The other thing about Les is he does not seem to be a knife guy. He has entered the woods through the years with a multitude of different knives. Often just a Leatherman or Victorinox. No knife guy, myself included, would jump into those scenarios with whatever knife some producer handed me.
 
If Stuck out in the middle of nowhere, I'd rather have Les than bear to get through the ordeal.

As far as their knives, I'll pass on both.
 
theAntihero said:
Well considering that the Gerber Grylls Parang got recalled for snapping id guess it wouldnt be them.
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Yeah man I had two parangs and one of em has a huge 3 inch wide and 1/2 inch deep gouge in it where the blade just broke... stupid product, would not reccomend it to anyone... if you want a machete, get a kershaw camp 18.. much better quality for the same price.

Nuff said...
 
I just want to thank the person for reviving this old thread because it just provided me a good 45 minutes of entertainment. My hat is off too you!
 
JJalenak said:
So, as a relative newbie just getting into knives, and celebrity endorsement aside, who would everyone recommend for a 'survival knife'? Fixed blade, or folder? Why?
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Fixed...definitely. Folders have locks...locks can break, stick or get worn, muddy, etc.
Just my opinion, but I think most would agree.
 
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