Bearings VS Washers

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How far is a 6 from a 7, for example, in the scoring? How many times was the experiment repeated?
 

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Well, I guess the only way for people to accept the result is to have a number of third parties to reproduce the result, and, more importantly, that they do the experiment themselves. I don’t have guts to dip my Umnumzaan or Tolk into mud, so take the result at the face value at the moment.


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Yes! Of course we have to believe that they actually do work fine and didn't get ruined! Amazingly I believe! Some guys will no doubt want proof... no doubt jimmy hendrix will find the request for oroof constructive


The names is Blues...

I found Marci's post very unconstructive,
Very few things on this forum can be 'proven' ... just guys sharing experiences, thoughts, opinions...not meant to be a scientific forum. 90% of this stuff is 'anecdotal'... that's wgat a duscussion is.

Yet people here will discuss blade steel as if they were structural engineers. What is your point?

I don't take Instagram posts as "proof"...
 
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I found Marci's post very unconstructive,
Very few things on this forum can be 'proven' ... just guys sharing experiences, thoughts, opinions...not meant to be a scientific forum. 90% of this stuff is 'anecdotal'... that's wgat a duscussion is.

I am pretty sure I ignored Marci (if I am remembering correctly, the full name is Marcimek?) about....8 months ago? He's one of the people on this forum who backs his opinions with pigheadedness rather than facts...kind of like me, but I can't ignore myself :D

Click his forum name, smack that ignore button. You don't have to stoop to his level. Also, the great thing about these new forums, the ignored posts are deleted completely, so they won't show up at all even in quotes.

Anyways, regarding the test...very unprofessional, with no control, but moderately interesting nonetheless. I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it though, from handling both bearings are (obviously) lower friction, but washers have this hydraulic smoothness that is so addictive. I'd choose washers for an EDC just for that action, but bearings have more than earned their place in the pivot.
 
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I am pretty sure I ignored Marci (if I am remembering correctly, the full name is Marcimek?) about....8 months ago? He's one of the people on this forum who backs his opinions with pigheadedness rather than facts...kind of like me, but I can't ignore myself :D

Click his forum name, smack that ignore button. You don't have to stoop to his level. Also, the great thing about these new forums, the ignored posts are deleted completely, so they won't show up at all even in quotes.

Anyways, regarding the test...very unprofessional, with no control, but moderately interesting nonetheless. I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it though, from handling both bearings are (obviously) lower friction, but washers have this hydraulic smoothness that is so addictive. I'd choose washers for an EDC just for that action, but bearings have more than earned their place in the pivot.
I agree... that greased Sebenza feeling is delicious! I just hate to discourage guys because they havn't run a scientific experiment. I have a ton of experience with both systems... in the muck...I know what I think is better... but unfortunately I don't have proof for the science professors so I better not share...
 
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Well, I guess the only way for people to accept the result is to have a number of third parties to reproduce the result, and, more importantly, that they do the experiment themselves. I don’t have guts to dip my Umnumzaan or Tolk into mud, so take the result at the face value at the moment.


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A good assessment!
 

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I have a few bones to pick with that video.

The black sludge was never allowed to dry in/on the knife. In liquid form it should not or very minimally affect the action.

Same with watery sand.

In the prying test:

  • He was stupid for not wearing safety goggles
  • He was using the frame of the knife in addition to the blade
  • The car he drove over it with was a trabant. 1100lbs, 55% rear weight distribution, so 302lbs at the wheel driving over the knife. Take into account the shock absorbers and reduced shock from the tires, and it's really not that much weight.
When I was 10, a car ran over my foot. Didn't even break. I would think titanium and steel should fair better.
 

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Yes! Of course we have to believe that they actually do work fine and didn't get ruined! Amazingly I believe! Some guys will no doubt want proof... no doubt jimmy hendrix will find the request for oroof constructive

In another thread you said you don't accept forum posts as proof. A forum post about an Instagram posts is OK, though?

I think the test is interesting, but I would have liked it to be more thorough/scientific.

Personally I have had more issues with bearings than washers, but that was more due to using the wrong type of lubricant.
 
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In another thread you said you don't accept forum posts as proof. A forum post about an Instagram posts is OK, though?

I think the test is interesting, but I would have liked it to be more thorough/scientific.

Personally I have had more issues with bearings than washers, but that was more due to using the wrong type of lubricant.
That was my response to his post when he first said he doesn't accept IG posts as proof!...I shouldn't get in the dirt with the trolls, though. I don't accept this as 'proof', it is just a guy showing something. I take it for what it is....
But no sense being mean and disparaging like some members are.
 
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That was my response to his post when he first said he doesn't accept IG posts as proof!...I shouldn't get in the dirt with the trolls, though. I don't accept this as 'proof', it is just a guy showing something. I take it for what it is....
But no sense being mean and disparaging like some members are.
There are like 4 or 5 guys that haunt the forums and when you figure out who they are just put them on ignore . Otherwise it can tend to be slightly bothersome
 
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YouTube, IG, etc I have very little faith in for any kind of proof. Most of what I see on YouTube is in a very controlled environment.

I have much more faith in the experience of real, experienced, unbiased in people in a forum such as this.

I too have experienced the issue with the wrong type of lubrication. I bought a bearing flipper that had about 30lbs of CRK fluorinated lube in it.Took me forever to completely clean.

I believe that the biggest factor is the construction of the bearing pivot. In a pivot that is already rough (such as Spyderco bearings) grit and debris will be less noticeable than something very smooth like a Kizer, We, etc.

I prefer not to expose my nicer folders to hard use and nasty environs. I'd rather use a fixed blade.
 
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I think it goes without saying though that no matter how scientifically sound the test it wouldn't stop a certain few from still claiming that it proves nothing. For some no amount of evidence will suffice.

This is true. If you cannot convince some people something is true via simple diagrams and mathematics, then a controlled experiment isn't going to work either.
 
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I found Marci's post very unconstructive,
Very few things on this forum can be 'proven' ... just guys sharing experiences, thoughts, opinions...not meant to be a scientific forum. 90% of this stuff is 'anecdotal'... that's wgat a duscussion is.

And I said it was purely anecdotal. Read my post.

But one starts throwing around pictures of ones "experiment" and numerical results, and the implication is that a controlled experiment has taken place that proves something.

And a controlled experiment with reproducible numbers is not what the guy did.

And no one should believe the guy proved anything....even if he wants us to think so or even if we agree with his observations.
 
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Well... your comment wouldn't pass muster in 6th grade courtesy....
That said, any constructive thoughts on the subject?

Yes. It's not a controlled experiment, but those are interesting anecdotal observations.

Good day.

See? Courtesy!
 

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Oh, boy! Another one of these bearings vs washers threads.

Some will support their preference and trash the other.

Some will agree with the "evidence" and some will dispute it.

Many will claim some sort of authority regarding scientific testing.

A few guys will insult each other.

How enlightening!

I have knives with ball bearing pivots and washers (which are bearings too). I use both, I like both, and have no problems with either. Of course I don't stick my folders in sand or muck, but that's just me.
 
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