I have a few bones to pick with that video.
The black sludge was never allowed to dry in/on the knife. In liquid form it should not or very minimally affect the action.
Same with watery sand.
In the prying test:
When I was 10, a car ran over my foot. Didn't even break. I would think titanium and steel should fair better.
- He was stupid for not wearing safety goggles
- He was using the frame of the knife in addition to the blade
- The car he drove over it with was a trabant. 1100lbs, 55% rear weight distribution, so 302lbs at the wheel driving over the knife. Take into account the shock absorbers and reduced shock from the tires, and it's really not that much weight.
I've made folders with both washers and bearings, and have never had any issues with either.
Both work fine, although IMO, bearings are required to get a decent action on a flipper.
Loose bearings are problematic, but the caged variety eliminate any issues.
I seriously doubt that anyone would have issues with washers or bearings provided they are not abusing the knife.
whats funny is that people talk about this shit on the forums like they know, then someone comes around and actually does some kind of testing and those who just talk refute any thing from it.
haters going to hate. pathetic, but whatever, have your opinions, but look at how you're acting. if you dont like it, do your own experiment to prove your side.
at least someone did something to try and provide some data, as much as you say its anecdotal, its something, its something more than you did.
Its not "hating" or "talking ____" or "pathetic".
Just like its not an "experiment" or "data." Its just anecdotal observation. Like Mitchell Knives made. Except he didn't pretend he was doing some sort of quantifiable, provable science that demonstrated fact.
He just said "From what I have experienced both work fine."
If you want me to do something about settling the argument (I don't see why I am obliged to), I will gladly provide conclusions as valid as the ones you have posted:
Unless your world demands rapid deployment of your knife after stabbing molasses and sand, then I feel it doesn't really matter. Maybe I'm not "real world" enough with all my nerdy science stuff.
if a folder can't handle stabbing molasses and sand i wont' carry it. my life is too valuable while in a candy factory and a sand pit to compromise my carry choices.
You got that right. If you have just stabbed some diatom powder, and some molasses comes at you?!? You gotta deploy quick. Molasses is sneaky fast.
In all seriousness, I really dont care one way or another about the conclusions of this "experiment." Like I said, I don't need to deploy that fast to where washer vs bearing matters.
But. I will continue to discuss this guy's method, which is nonsense couched as science. The data is not data. The method is not a method.
@T.Erdelyi nailed it. And Mitchell Knives presented his conclusions in an infinitely more informative manner.
I had a domino that was the same way. My southard was even worse. I was tempted to try a mamba but not after those two. I am not a fan of how spyderco make their knives with bearings. And I especially dislike the detents. They overshadow any benefit the pivot may have provided.I have no preference, other than that I prefer pb washers to nylon etc, and caged ball bearings to loose.
I've had multiple knives with each pivot type, with both rough and smooth iterations. My smoothest opening knives are both riding on PB washers. Matt Bailey model 2 flipper geek edition, and TSF Beast. They glide open. My ZT Brous rocket open, my Kizer falls somewhere in between. My Domino is very gritty.
haters and trolls. its the way you are posting and its ruining it for the rest of us.
if you want to dispute it, tell everyone how it should be done, and DO IT YOURSELF to prove it instead of bashing and trolling.
So. Lets flip this and ask you if someone wanted to perform a test that you would recognize as acceptable on all merits what would that test include? You know what you don't like but what would have to be done that you would recognize as not being nonsense?
I had a domino that was the same way. My southard was even worse. I was tempted to try a mamba but not after those two. I am not a fan of how spyderco make their knives with bearings. And I especially dislike the detents. They overshadow any benefit the pivot may have provided.
That's a fair question. I suppose one would need two identical knives that vary only by washer vs bearing. I don't know how one would even do that. Then one would need some way to quantifiably measure the ease or smoothness of opening before adding the sand or whatever. Then some way to measure the ease/smoothness after adding the grit.
And one would have to eliminate the possibility that the polishing action of the grit affects the ease/smoothness in some way, etc.
It would be extraordinarily difficult, and anyone who knows the slightest about science wouldn't pretend that they have come up with a controlled experiment testing that when they haven't.
Anyone who knows the slightest bit about science would just say something like Mitchell Knives and you ( PURPLEDC ) posted. And that would be great.
But I guess that all makes science a "%&#@-talking, hating troll."