Beating on a Game Warden

Tyrade83 said:
I took a few close up shots of the edges of the Warden, and the machete.

This is the machete, you can see how much deflection it took to chip out the INFI. An insane amount!



I think the chip is still in there, it's hard to tell because I hit it a time or two after it cracked, and rounded out the torn steel.



And the Warden. These are pretty gruesome.... Probably NSFW......















I warned you.....


















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This is awesome.
 
I did not expect that kind of damage on either blade. I figured one would just crack.
 
Now I don't mean to be a kill joy, and I am obviously a huge Busse fan, but I also try not to "drink the Kool-aid". I am looking at a pictures of two blades with fairly equivalent damage (that machete tore a chunk out of the warden any way you look at it). I don't know what kind of machete that was, but all of mine are made of cheap $40 steel and are half or less the thickness of the warden. I would have thought the warden would do better. I will give you the "deflection" issue, and maybe the warden had some unrecognized damage from its previous workout, but still...
I know that keeping the blades soft improves toughness, and maybe a higher rockwell would have caused a break or chip, but I think it might have cut through more of the machete. Others will jump on me for posting this, but I don't see this as a win. I want a rematch.
 
mach 5 said:
Now I don't mean to be a kill joy, and I am obviously a huge Busse fan, but I also try not to "drink the Kool-aid". I am looking at a pictures of two blades with fairly equivalent damage (that machete tore a chunk out of the warden any way you look at it). I don't know what kind of machete that was, but all of mine are made of cheap $40 steel and are half or less the thickness of the warden. I would have thought the warden would do better. I will give you the "deflection" issue, and maybe the warden had some unrecognized damage from its previous workout, but still...
I know that keeping the blades soft improves toughness, and maybe a higher rockwell would have caused a break or chip, but I think it might have cut through more of the machete. Others will jump on me for posting this, but I don't see this as a win. I want a rematch.
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Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Busse View Post
We are currently testing 3V against SR-101 with the exact same grind geometry. Our tests are not complete but should be soon.

We are only interested in tests with the exact same grind geometry and tests which are done with mechanical testing. There are too many variants when testing by hand.

Should be fun.

We'll post results here when completed.

Let's Drink!!!

Jerry

as jerry said "There are too many variants when testing by hand."

when you look back the test done by Tyrade83 , you will find that the warden was holds in hand and machete was firmly fixed in vice . under the impact of hammering , hand can not holds knife firmly like vice does.

Vibrations & shakings are very harmful ,apply huge impacting force on lateral of the blade , so in the test warden looks like get a chip .

the wounds on the warden is not a chip , more like got a tearing out other than a simply chip , it is really really good sign of high impact toughness.:thumbup:


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sorry for my poor English.
 
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dingy said:
Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Busse View Post
We are currently testing 3V against SR-101 with the exact same grind geometry. Our tests are not complete but should be soon.

We are only interested in tests with the exact same grind geometry and tests which are done with mechanical testing. There are too many variants when testing by hand.

Should be fun.

We'll post results here when completed.

Let's Drink!!!

Jerry

as jerry said "There are too many variants when testing by hand."

when you look back the test done by Tyrade83 , you will find that the warden was holds in hand and machete was firmly fixed in vice . under the impact of hammering , hand can not holds knife firmly like vice does.

Vibrations & shakings are very harmful ,apply huge impacting force on lateral of the blade , so in the test warden looks like get a chip .

the wounds on the warden is not a chip , more like got a tearing out other than a simply chip , it is really really good sign of hight impact toughness.:thumbup:


38B478C9-719A-45BA-9419-B73905969F13_1.jpg


sorry for my poor English.
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I totally agree, edge geometry is key in a comparison if this nature, and the vice as you mention gives the machete an advantage. I was just kind of saying that all the hoopla about the warden kicking ass here seems premature. I would also like to see the warden and machete damage in the same photo to compare the size of the rents. Regardless of the relative performance issues it is a great thread by tyrade
 
Okay, so I decide to give the little bit of edge that I hadn't torn out a little more abuse.



It did pretty well I think. I gave this 5 light taps with the 4lb hammer, concentrating on accuracy.



The damage to the GW is small enough that I could only estimate it at .005 deep. The machete damage was .045





After about 15-20 more taps, I was .160 deep, .070 thick on the machete, with still minimal damage to the Warden, and all was looking good.



Then what I'd expected to happen almost right away after the first set of 5 taps happened.



It's extremely difficult to keep everything all straight and square doing this, and I got a twist going on in my test equipment (my hands) and tore the rest of the edge out with an unsquare blow.



But going by the calipers, the .030 edge (that was likely stress damaged from the previous abuse) of the GW made it .160 deep into the fresh edge of a tough spring steel machete. I'm definitely not disappointed in the damage the GW took prior to finally tearing off. That just demonstrates to me that once you have a blade buried that deep into another blade, it's the lateral torque that will do the damage, not the actual edge on edge contact.
 
mach 5 said:
Now I don't mean to be a kill joy, and I am obviously a huge Busse fan, but I also try not to "drink the Kool-aid". I am looking at a pictures of two blades with fairly equivalent damage (that machete tore a chunk out of the warden any way you look at it). I don't know what kind of machete that was, but all of mine are made of cheap $40 steel and are half or less the thickness of the warden. I would have thought the warden would do better. I will give you the "deflection" issue, and maybe the warden had some unrecognized damage from its previous workout, but still...
I know that keeping the blades soft improves toughness, and maybe a higher rockwell would have caused a break or chip, but I think it might have cut through more of the machete. Others will jump on me for posting this, but I don't see this as a win. I want a rematch.
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To me the fact that the damage to the Warden was a tear out and the damage to the machete was more just being pushed out of the way, means that you have to consider that the machete is run 5-8 rhc softer than the INFI, and that it is designed to be flexible. I'll still take INFI over whatever this is made of.
 
I'm gonna hoist one up to the brave machete...:thumbup:

and two for the game little Game Warden!!! :thumbup::thumbup:
 
Tyrade, if it is not to much trouble can you measure and compare the thickness of the warden and machete at the apex of each notch where the damage stopped. Also how about a rematch on a fresh area of the blade with the warden in a vice and the machet held freehand.??
 
This thread... And INFI are awesome!!!
The GW is a killer cool lil' blade... I use my SMOG Warden daily.

Thanks for sharing all the fun you've had with that lil' beast!
 
I would love to see someone do that with a cpm3v blade and see how the steel reacts.
 
I'd be happy to send this machete at my cost to anyone willing to try this with a 3v blade or one made from anything else.
 
Tyrade83 said:
I'd be happy to send this machete at my cost to anyone willing to try this with a 3v blade or one made from anything else.
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I have one but the warranty is not like Busse, so no, I won't do it with mine, lol.
 
There was a thread a few years ago with some similar edge-to-edge abuse. Jerry came in to comment, IIRC, that it was difficult to learn much from that kind of 'test', as there were too many variables that can't be controlled and repeated.
 
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